[At-Large] ATLASIII Participation

Fri Jul 12 11:02:44 UTC 2019

Dear all,

I also took almost all ICANN Learn courses because I wanted to get as much knowledge as possible and in my opinion most for them are quit good and well structured if I compare them with older ones, which I needed to complete as a NextGen in 2017 for example.

Plus, all of them are for free if you compare it with other platforms, you very often need to pay for every particular course like Coursera!

Moreover, it should be an obvious thing to be prepared for such an event - to take the hell out of it 😀!

Finally, I understand that people need to do this work besides their job, but still if I see this as part of my hobby or interest, I normally do this work with a kind of passion and I will enjoy it!

Best,
Matthias

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> On 12.07.2019, at 12:22, Roberto Gaetano <roberto_gaetano at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I would like to add one thing to what Olivier said.
> Incidentally, I agree fully with his remarks, while still regretting the fact that we might not enjoy the benefit of having some people that could be great contributors to the debate. I repeat here what I suggested within EURALO, that is that we have some waiting list to fill in for possible last minute cancellations by selected people. Obviously, prerequisite is to have completed the training plan.
> What I wanted to add is that before taking the courses I thought I knew everything 😀, but found out that this was not the case. I even gave a couple of wrong answers to the questions. So it was not wasted time at all.
> Cheers,
> Roberto
> 
> 
>> On 12.07.2019, at 12:03, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear Vanda,
>> 
>> thank you - that is exactly what I wanted to say. I'll come clean: in the preparation phase, I pushed for everyone to follow the same courses for two reasons:
>> 
>> 1. Making sure that everybody had reached a high enough level of knowledge by the time we get to Montreal, that we do not end up wasting time on explaining how, for example, the GNSO works during the precious time that we will have face to face. I actually think that learning about ICANN this way is a real benefit to end users - it is vital knowledge needed to evolve in this environment.
>> 2. Making sure that other people in the group, the seasoned members of At-Large, knew what level of knowledge everyone was expected to achieve prior to the meeting, so that we do not end up with a discussion in Montréal that involves 15 expert members of the community and the rest not understanding what the heck they are talking about.
>> 
>> Whilst I sympathize with people like Evan who have not been selected, the complaints about the ICANN learn courses being too long and a waste of time and not being bothered to finish them do not have my sympathy. Sorry. I took all of the mandatory courses, and in fact I also took all of the other ones on the ICANN Learn Web site too, in order to find out what was out there. It took me no more than an hour per course on the non mandatory ones, namely because in cases where I knew the topic well I either fast forwarded the video segments, or ran it at a higher speed than the original. I even ended up sending dozens of corrections to fix the courses to ICANN Learn staff. And lo and behold, I actually came across some real nuggets where I learnt something - and this has completed my education, where I can now comment on more topics that I better understand than before, in the public consultation process. And yes, I am really happy that I took the courses, because I enjoy learning more stuff, and I did.
>> So 5 x 1 hour = 5 hours. The Group that had to focus on Capacity Building asked each other: is it reasonable to ask a volunteer to spend 5 hours on a course within the length of 1 month? And the answer was YES.  This could be done in chunks of 15 minutes, if wanted. It was really not a real workload. 
>> Now I am reading many emails from many people about them not being able to complete the courses in time. Well, there were also the Webinars, as an even easier alternative. I am sorry this has taken out some people, but I would have expected a better and more positive response from seasoned participants. My outlook in life is that I am never confident enough to think that I do not require a refresher course - because the world moves on and I cannot rely solely on my past knowledge.
>> 
>> Kindest regards,
>> 
>> Olivier
>> 
>>> On 11/07/2019 21:34, Vanda Scartezini wrote:
>>> Being in ICANN for around 20 years and have been using the e-learning courses for long time in capacitation to others, I was one that felt no real need to attend all courses or webinar.
>>> But I did all those, because rules in a worldwide selection are there to be followed, no exception shall be made if there was a selection criteria.
>>> I am sorry not to have well prepared people attending ATLAS III, but  I see no point in complain against the rules clearer stated before the beginning of the process.
>>> best to all  
>>>  
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>>> From: At-Large <at-large-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of John Laprise <jlaprise at gmail.com>
>>> Date: Thursday, July 11, 2019 at 15:02
>>> To: Humberto Carrasco <hcarrasco at cmsz.cl>
>>> Cc: 'At-Large Worldwide' <at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [At-Large] Fwd: ATLASIII Participation
>>>  
>>> Indeed
>>>  
>>> On Thu, Jul 11, 2019, 1:01 PM Humberto Carrasco <hcarrasco at cmsz.cl> wrote:
>>> Dear John, 
>>>  
>>> Please, do not forget that webinars were an alternative of online courses.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> Enviado desde mi iPhone
>>> 
>>> El 11-07-2019, a la(s) 13:55, John Laprise <jlaprise at gmail.com> escribió:
>>> 
>>> Hi Evan, 
>>>  
>>> Simply put, it wasn't about you.
>>>  
>>> The program committee, ALAC and the selection committee agreed that participation in the webinars was a hard requirement. Full stop. 
>>>  
>>> Making exceptions would have opened a can of worms we decided to leave sealed, for better or worse.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Pixel 3XL
>>> 
>>> John Laprise, Ph.D.
>>>  
>>> On Thu, Jul 11, 2019, 12:49 PM Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org> wrote:
>>> Hi Judith.
>>>  
>>> Yes, I applied before the deadline. I committed to take the "how does ICANN work" courses but apparently didn't finish them in time. So apparently I have not sufficiently demonstrated that I understand how ALAC operates within ICANN.
>>> (BTW, thouse ICANN learn courses are all aimed at registrants' PoV -- they miss much that is important to end users -- ie, At-Large. But, according to the selection committee, I don't know enough about this kind of thing.)
>>>  
>>> - Evan
>>>  
>>>  
>>> On Thu, 11 Jul 2019 at 13:28, Judith Hellerstein <judith at jhellerstein.com> wrote:
>>> HI Evan,
>>> 
>>> Did you apply? I was not on the evaluating team but as I understand it there were very few applications from NARALO
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Judith
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>>> On 7/11/2019 1:19 PM, Evan Leibovitch wrote:
>>> Having been rejected from participating because I would have been such a tourist, I have no comment.
>>> 
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