[At-Large] ATLASIII Participation
carlton.samuels at gmail.com
Wed Jul 10 02:07:58 UTC 2019
Funny enough, we are closer to total agreement than you imagine.
You see, your second paragraph got to the heart of the issue. What to do
when the job is not done?
My response is to tell the same persons to their face that they did not
contribute much. And, message the folks who elect them as representative as
It's like electing a common fool for president and we blame the fool and
not the voters who pulled the lever for the fool. In my corner of empire we
tend to elect crooks, never fools. So we know what is our problem.
I'm suggesting we can fix those problems without dangling travel or other
funding as benefits to be removed as punishment. Especially if it devalues
your efforts and mine.
I have seen volunteers struggle to assimilate and articulate a position on
an issue. I have seen so-called tourist travelers mature and make useful
contributions. It is a crap shoot.
So, I want to reinforce the fact that not everybody is interested in every
topic the At-Large gets all bothered about. Indeed, I have seen a few that
IMHO, isn't worth a bucket of warm spit to the end user that we allegedly
represent in names and numbers policy matters.
Not everybody need be interested in every topic to be a volunteer.
Whosoever will may come. And, we can help them find their way in....or out.
On Tue, 9 Jul 2019, 5:47 pm Roberto Gaetano, <roberto_gaetano at hotmail.com>
> Hi Carlton.
> As usual, we agree on some things and we disagree on other.
> I fully support your view that travel, in particular when tickets are
> provided at the lowest possible cost - which implies also the lowest level
> of comfort and service - is not a benefit but "the tool that it is to get a
> job done”.
> Where we disagree is what to do if and when the job is not done. IMHO,
> ALAC does not have just the option, but the duty, to analyse whether the
> limited funds should be allocated in a different way to maximise the
> result. That is, as you correctly put, "to get a job done”.
> Incidentally, if ALAC does not monitor the fund allocation and show that
> there is no waste, ICANN will do. And I personally don’t like at all this
> But since I am well-known for making examples that are a bit extreme, and
> sometimes drive people mad, please allow me to be up to my reputation and
> mention this case.
> These days in Italy there are a couple of cases of public administrations,
> including a public hospital, where employees have been caught being
> repeatedly absent from work while colleagues were clocking them in and out.
> Am I the only one who sees similarities?
> On 09.07.2019, at 23:14, Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels at gmail.com>
> Dear John:
> I know you mean well. But I must register my profound and utter
> disagreement with you here. And, on principle.
> At-Large representatives are volunteers. Largely.
> I am seethe at this indignity that a measure of my voluntarism connects to
> me flying somewhere to volunteer my time, my energy, my intellectual
> capital and yes, my labour, all as public goods.
> I would not wish to be so judged. And what is proposed is nothing but an
> episode of the slave's torment; doing what he thinks would appease his
> master by providing the hog grease for the leather whip that stipes his own
> I came to this opposition from bitter experience. It started when I was
> the only elected LACRALO official. And in a period when travel was dangled
> as a benefit to volunteers. I couldn't give a tinker's damn since by that
> time I had already racked up 2 million plus airmiles. And traveling
> steerage class is not my idea of a fun time.
> In that period of time, LACRALO arguably provided the most egregious
> examples of the ICANN tourist traveler. And I suffered the slings of my
> northern metropolitan colleagues for vehemently opposing sanctions on the
> then LACRALO ALAC representatives. [I am ever grateful to Evan for
> supporting me on principle!] My argument was those persons behaved badly as
> individuals. I told them so. One has hated me to this day. But inspite of
> him, I adamantly refused to support travel sanctions against them. That
> action reinforces that rather louche idea that travel is a benefit rather
> than the tool that it is to get a job done. And to hypothecate the tool as
> security for work to be done seems immoral to me.
> Value is assigned my time and intellectual capital by others; I sell them
> for fee. I got home less than 2 hours ago from Suriname. Most in this
> thread would likely not even know where that is. it is a hump to get to.
> And, somebody paid me for that.
> As a volunteer, my time, intellectual capital and my own coin have been
> placed in trust and in the service of the At-Large. An airplane ticket in
> steerage does not begin to compensate me as volunteer. It is no benefit to
> me or for me. It is rude and crude to suggest, must less legislate, that
> it is.
> My position has not changed in these many years because the same response
> offends reason and conscience. It is for the At-Large constituents to pick
> representatives. And this seemingly Pavlovian response proffered is and
> remains a bad policy idea. It is inimical to the spirit of volutarism -
> real voluntarism! - that premises the At-Large engagement.
> *Carlton A Samuels*
> *Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment &
> On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 9:16 AM John Laprise <jlaprise at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I would like us all to consider consequences for ATLASIII participants
>> who travel but do not participate (excepting reasons of illness etc). This
>> is a serious, professional responsibility and should be treated as such.
>> For a start, I would suggest that participants who fail to participate
>> should be ineligible for funding and elections for 3 years.
>> I look forward to conversation on this topic leading to action by the
>> Sent from my Pixel 3XL
>> John Laprise, Ph.D.
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