[At-Large] ATLASIII Participation

Tue Jul 9 22:06:36 UTC 2019

I quite understand the draw for the 'accountability thing'. And I concede
my bona fides in the At-Large in general and the previous two ATLAS events
in particular are hardly enough to caution.

The problem is proffering traveling to ICANN events as a benefit. For
volunteers.

It is not.   That characterisation is dead wrong.

Where a benefit is alleged, the natural inclination is to account costs.
And no accountant worth spit would wish to ignore some of the ledgers. I
submit the volunteer's time, intellectual capital and coin are worthy.

-Carlton
==============================
*Carlton A Samuels*

*Mobile: 876-818-1799Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround*
=============================

On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 4:30 PM John Laprise <jlaprise at gmail.com> wrote:

> People who choose to take offense at accountability and responsibility
> (even as a volunteer), choose to be offended.
>
> Please note that I believe that while I may have initially referenced
> travel funding, I meant to include all funding and ineligibility for
> elected positions to be fair. If we cannot rely on a volunteer on a single
> dedicated occasion, it is foolish to rely on such an individual in other
> circumstances, volunteer or not.
>
> We disagree.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 9, 2019, 4:15 PM Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear John:
>> I know you mean well.  But I must register my profound and utter
>> disagreement with you here.  And, on principle.
>>
>> At-Large representatives are volunteers.  Largely.
>>
>> I am seethe at this indignity that a measure of my voluntarism connects
>> to me flying somewhere to volunteer my time, my energy, my intellectual
>> capital and yes, my labour, all as public goods.
>>
>> I would not wish to be so judged.  And what is proposed is nothing but an
>> episode of the slave's torment; doing what he thinks would appease his
>> master by providing the hog grease for the leather whip that stipes his own
>> back.
>>
>> I came to this opposition from bitter experience. It started when I was
>> the only elected LACRALO official. And in a period when travel was dangled
>> as a benefit to volunteers. I couldn't give a tinker's damn since by that
>> time I had already racked up 2 million plus airmiles. And traveling
>> steerage class is not my idea of a fun time.
>>
>> In that period of time, LACRALO arguably provided the most egregious
>> examples of the ICANN tourist traveler. And I suffered the slings of my
>> northern metropolitan colleagues for vehemently opposing sanctions on the
>> then LACRALO ALAC representatives. [I am ever grateful to Evan for
>> supporting me on principle!] My argument was those persons behaved badly as
>> individuals. I told them so. One has hated me to this day. But inspite of
>> him, I adamantly refused to support travel sanctions against them. That
>> action reinforces that rather louche idea that travel is a benefit rather
>> than the tool that it is to get a job done. And to hypothecate the tool as
>> security for work to be done seems immoral to me.
>>
>> Value is assigned my time and intellectual capital by others; I sell them
>> for fee. I got home less than 2 hours ago from Suriname.  Most in this
>> thread would likely not even know where that is. it is a hump to get to.
>> And, somebody paid me for that.
>>
>> As a volunteer, my time, intellectual capital and my own coin have been
>> placed in trust and in the service of the At-Large. An airplane ticket in
>> steerage does not begin to compensate me as volunteer. It is no benefit to
>> me or for me.  It is rude and crude to suggest, must less legislate, that
>> it is.
>>
>> My position has not changed in these many years because the same response
>> offends reason and conscience. It is for the At-Large constituents to pick
>> representatives. And this seemingly Pavlovian response proffered is and
>> remains a bad policy idea. It is inimical to the spirit of volutarism -
>> real voluntarism! - that premises the At-Large engagement.
>>
>> Best,
>> -Carlton
>>
>>
>> ==============================
>> *Carlton A Samuels*
>>
>> *Mobile: 876-818-1799Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment &
>> Turnaround*
>> =============================
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 9:16 AM John Laprise <jlaprise at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I would like us all to consider consequences for ATLASIII participants
>>> who travel but do not participate (excepting reasons of illness etc). This
>>> is a serious, professional responsibility and should be treated as such.
>>>
>>> For a start, I would suggest that participants who fail to participate
>>> should be ineligible for funding and elections for 3 years.
>>>
>>> I look forward to conversation on this topic leading to action by the
>>> ALAC.
>>>
>>> Sent from my Pixel 3XL
>>>
>>> John Laprise, Ph.D.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> At-Large mailing list
>>> At-Large at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large
>>>
>>> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your
>>> personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance
>>> with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy)
>>> and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos).
>>> You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or
>>> configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or
>>> disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.
>>
>>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/at-large/attachments/20190709/fe740471/attachment-0001.html>