[At-Large] ATLASIII Participation

Tue Jul 9 18:59:14 UTC 2019

It should be completely understood by those receiving funding that they are
being funded to attend ATLAS III, not to go sightseeing during the sessions.

Pardon my ignorance, but is there a statement made to applicants, and/or an
agreement made by applicants, that if funded they will attend all ATLAS III
sessions?

If the rule is not crystal clear to all funded travelers, it should be made
crystal clear to all funded travelers.  This is basic accountability (and
self-accountability).

We shouldn’t wait until Atlas IV to ensure that this very basic rule is
fully understood and enforced.  There’s no reason to be timid about this —
unless we want to reinforce the grossly unfair (but not entirely unfounded)
“travel club” reputation.

We can figure out the nuances of how we know who attended (sign-in sheets,
online sign-in, sign-in to Zoom or whatever application is supporting
digital participation), what should be done to the travel funding
privileges of those attending, and how to deal with legitimate excused
absences (illness, work conflict, conflict with ICANN obligations).  We
will also need some flexibility to deal with someone who missed a session
vs. someone who skipped out on multiple sessions, and someone who
innocently missed a session (e.g., due to jet lag) vs. someone who
purposefully skipped out.

Until then, we should confirm to all funded travelers that they understand
that they are required to attend all ATLAS III sessions, and that failure
to do so will likely affect their future travel funding.  If this
understanding is controversial, that is problematic.

Greg

On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 2:24 PM Fatimata Seye Sylla <fsylla at gmail.com> wrote:

> +1 to Roberto while I fully understand John's concern.
> Let's start monitoring attendance and participation first.
>
> Fatimata
>
> On Tue, Jul 9, 2019, 16:48 Jacqueline Morris <jam at jacquelinemorris.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Roberto
>> Totally agree with you that  we need to verify that the problem does
>> exist, to what degree, and also, I think, why, if it does.
>> Data is useful in understanding the problem, and the problem needs to be
>> understood before solutions can be conceived and implemented.
>> Regards
>> Jacqueline
>>
>> On Tue, 9 Jul 2019, 12:05 PM Roberto Gaetano, <
>> roberto_gaetano at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> John,
>>> I am in full agreement with you about the identification of the problem
>>> and the need to find a solution that will necessarily include sanctions for
>>> the bad behaviours.
>>> However, I think that the problem is complex, and that we need to give
>>> some deeper thought about how to solve it.
>>> I am thinking, for instance, that ICANN has a similar problem with
>>> fellowship or other programmes that provide travel support. Can we collect
>>> information about how ICANN deals with that? Also, I am under the
>>> impression that the different participants to fellowship and similar
>>> programmes have obligations to fulfil, that their presence is checked, and
>>> so on.
>>> We can start making clear that some of these measures might be applied
>>> in Montreal - it is not to “control”, but to collect data points. As of
>>> today, we do not know to which extent the problem exists - for instance, to
>>> the best of my knowledge we did not check attendance at the previous ATLAS.
>>> I have a related - but not completely - question. Now that the selection
>>> of the participants who will enjoy travel support has been made, can we
>>> remove the limitation to participation to the ATLAS III Programme
>>> Committee? Incidentally, although this topic is not fully in scope of that
>>> Committee, maybe a first reflection on the topic could be done there?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Roberto
>>>
>>>
>>> > On 09.07.2019, at 16:40, Humberto Carrasco <hcarrascob at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Dear John,
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I am with you. I believe there is all travellers must comply with
>>> Atlas III goals. Travelling to Canada is not a vacation. However, instead
>>> of saying 3 years, I would say for any ICANN funding for 5 years or the
>>> next ATLAS meeting. If I remember well the last ATLAS meeting was 2014 (5
>>> years ago)
>>> >
>>> > Regards
>>> >
>>> > Enviado desde mi iPhone
>>> >
>>> > El 09-07-2019, a la(s) 10:16, John Laprise <jlaprise at gmail.com>
>>> escribió:
>>> >
>>> >> I would like us all to consider consequences for ATLASIII
>>> participants who travel but do not participate (excepting reasons of
>>> illness etc). This is a serious, professional responsibility and should be
>>> treated as such.
>>> >>
>>> >> For a start, I would suggest that participants who fail to
>>> participate should be ineligible for funding and elections for 3 years.
>>> >>
>>> >> I look forward to conversation on this topic leading to action by the
>>> ALAC.
>>> >>
>>> >> Sent from my Pixel 3XL
>>> >>
>>> >> John Laprise, Ph.D.
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