[At-Large] A brexit problem that I heard about
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond
ocl at gih.com
Mon Aug 20 15:21:59 UTC 2018
Dear Michele,
I never imagined I'd have to defend a registry in a discussion with you. :-)
EuRID engaged with Registrars and clients in the UK even *before* the
Brexit Referendum so I cannot agree that it is not engaging
constructively. The rules are clear: you need to be an entity with an
address in the EU.
https://eurid.eu/en/register-a-eu-domain/brexit-notice/
The majority vote in the UK has been to leave the EU. Blame the voters
not EuRID that had clear rules that preceded the UK vote. Alternatively,
open a subsidiary in an EU country and transfer the domain name to it.
It is not that costly, especially if the domain name is so important.
Kindest regards,
Olivier
On 20/08/2018 16:20, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
>
> The change isn’t New Year’s eve – it’d be March 2019
>
>
>
> The issue is that the EC isn’t engaging constructively with registrars
> or our clients, so it’s a total mess.
>
>
>
> Allowing existing registrants to keep their .eu domains would be the
> sanest way forward, but the EC doesn’t seem to be willing to discuss it.
>
>
>
> And they’ve also started some insane plan about expanding who can
> qualify for a .eu domain name without any real thought into how that
> can be made a reality.
>
>
>
> Oh the fun
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>
>
> Regards
>
>
> Michele
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>
> --
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> Mr Michele Neylon
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> *From: *At-Large <at-large-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf
> of Roberto Gaetano <roberto_gaetano at hotmail.com>
> *Date: *Monday 20 August 2018 at 14:35
> *To: *Danko Jevtović <danko at jevtovic.rs>
> *Cc: *At-Large Worldwide <at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [At-Large] A brexit problem that I heard about
>
>
>
> Danko,
>
> About EURID, I stand corrected, it is the EU who sets the rules. EURID
> only enforces them as operator.
>
> I fully agree with you, it is all part of the global package and
> nobody wants to start showing what the possible compromise points will
> be. The problems, from the operation’s point of view, is that in case
> of no compromise they have to do the job overnight on New Year’s Eve
> and that this will happen before the Brexit deadline, so even if a
> negotiation will be successful in 2019 the TLD changes could have been
> effective already.
>
> A big mess, where, as usual, politics dictates and common sense, once
> again, shows to be far less “common” than we think.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Roberto
>
>
>
>
>
> On 20.08.2018, at 13:53, Danko Jevtović <danko at jevtovic.rs
> <mailto:danko at jevtovic.rs>> wrote:
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>
>
> I understand that it is not up to EURID, but to EC (European
> Commission), that hold the contract with EURID to manage to TLDs.
>
>
>
> The problem seems to be that possible solution (grandfathering
> clause) cannot be discussed outside of the whole package of Brexit
> negotiations, effectively blocking any reasonable progress.
>
>
>
> Danko
>
>
>
> *From:* At-Large <at-large-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> <mailto:at-large-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org>> *On Behalf
> Of *Roberto Gaetano
> *Sent:* Monday, August 20, 2018 1:09 PM
> *To:* bzs at theworld.com <mailto:bzs at theworld.com>
> *Cc:* At Large <at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [At-Large] A brexit problem that I heard about
>
>
>
> Hi Barry.
> You might have a point in principle.
> However the reality is that each TLD can decide its own rules, and
> therefore whether to be strict in terms of requirements - like for
> instance .bank - or loose - like for instance .com.
> .eu has chosen the first approach, and has all right to do so.
> Whether EURID is willing to make an exception for Brexit - based
> also on the consideration that, as far as I know, they do not make
> continuous checking about whether the resistant still complies
> with the requirements - or not, I don’t know. Apparently not.
> Cheers,
> Roberto
>
>
>
>
> On 17.08.2018, at 19:31, bzs at theworld.com
> <mailto:bzs at theworld.com> wrote:
>
>
> Ok I'll say it...
>
> How many of these affected *.EU domains were actually entities
> with
> some sort of EU charter or relationship as the TLD was
> approved for in
> 2005?
>
> I realize it's naive to point out that .NET was for networking
> organizations and .ORG for not-for-profits etc. in a world
> where we
> have .XYZ and .FAIL (must they really be FAILures?)
>
> Ok that ship has sailed because no one wanted to enforce it as it
> would interfere with maximazing domain sales in those TLDs.
>
> But are we really supposed to get lathered up about those who
> now got
> burned flouting all that?
>
> What promise do those affected actually expect to be upheld?
> Chapter
> and verse not "well, we assumed..."?
>
> And, no, marching out one or two bona-fide examples doesn't
> quite rise
> to a counter argument.
>
> If there were only one or two or ten I'll guess they could be
> handled
> since they would have always had a legitimae reason to represent
> themselves with a .EU domain which one would hope would allow them
> some explicit accommodation.
>
> --
> -Barry Shein
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