[At-Large] A brexit problem that I heard about

Fri Aug 17 13:19:36 UTC 2018

Dear Michelle

On Fri, Aug 17, 2018, 6:10 PM Michele Neylon - Blacknight <
michele at blacknight.com> wrote:

> That does not scale.
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> If you’ve got 1 or 2 users on a domain name it’s pretty easily
> (technically) to move them to a new domain.
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> It’s a very different when you have large numbers of users AND complex
> systems in play.
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Understood. This was a limited question, originates from one UK user who
appears to have one domain name with his family members as users.

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> If you retain the “original” domain name making a change isn’t “as
> painful”, but if the domain literally vanishes or, which is a lot more
> worrying, is taken over by someone else then stuff will break.
>
In this case the user has one year to migrate to another domain. This use
case concerns a scenario where the 'legacy' email service provider does not
allow the account to migrate to a new domain (probably for valid reasons)

Thank you.

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> Regards
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> Michele
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> Mr Michele Neylon
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> *From: *sivasubramanian muthusamy <6.internet at gmail.com>
> *Date: *Friday 17 August 2018 at 13:37
> *To: *Michele Neylon <michele at blacknight.com>
> *Cc: *gtheo <gtheo at xs4all.nl>, At-Large Worldwide <
> at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [At-Large] A brexit problem that I heard about
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> On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 5:27 PM Michele Neylon - Blacknight <
> michele at blacknight.com> wrote:
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> Sorry, but what on earth do you mean?
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> If I have all my headed paper, business cards etc etc using a .eu domain
> name and I move to another domain extension I lose all that **if** the
> .eu domain name is either deleted, suspended or simply registered to
> someone else.
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> It’s very different to a simple rebranding exercise where you retain
> control of the original domain name and can setup pointers, redirects etc.,
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> True.  But in the event that control over the domain name goes away due to
> EXTERNAL factors beyond control, (as in this case the brexit related .EU
> directive coming into force), the alternative to the domain registering
> finding a c/o street address (which may be illegal) or actually maintaining
> a street presence (which may not be legally feasible or not affordable) the
> least harmful alternative (or relief) would be for the hosting environment
> to allow the registrant to migrate his account  and all his content to a
> new domain of his own choice.  At present (possibly due to some limitations
> or safeguards he is unable to use a new  non EU domain to preserve his
> email account linked to the .EU domain name.
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> Sivasubramanian M
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> For example we used to use blacknight.ie for our website and email. We
> don’t anymore, but you’d never notice as we still retain control of the
> domain.
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> Regards
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> Michele
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> --
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> Mr Michele Neylon
>
> Blacknight Solutions
>
> Hosting, Colocation & Domains
>
> https://www.blacknight.com/
>
> https://blacknight.blog/
>
> Intl. +353 (0) 59  9183072
>
> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
>
> Personal blog: https://michele.blog/
>
> Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/
>
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> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty
>
> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland  Company No.: 370845
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> *From: *At-Large <at-large-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of
> sivasubramanian muthusamy <6.internet at gmail.com>
> *Date: *Wednesday 15 August 2018 at 10:36
> *To: *gtheo <gtheo at xs4all.nl>
> *Cc: *At-Large Worldwide <at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [At-Large] A brexit problem that I heard about
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> Dear Theo Geurts,
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> On Wed, Aug 15, 2018, 2:28 PM gtheo <gtheo at xs4all.nl> wrote:
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> The alternatives are very limited as privacy or proxy registrations are
> a violation of the registry agreement if I am correct.
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> One alternative solution that would mitigate the hardships for at least a
> few of the 300k .EU (and the registrants other gTLD and ccTLD registries
> that may in future decide for one compelling reason or another to drop some
> domains) could arise from the Domain management services (which in this
> case, in this or expanded technical capacity, is Google) who could make it
> possible for these users to migrate to another domain name of their choice.
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> Sivasubramanian M
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> The latest news and info can be located here;
> https://eurid.eu/en/register-a-eu-domain/brexit-notice/
> We are talking around 300k .EU registrations for possible deletion.
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> Best,
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> Theo Geurts
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> sivasubramanian muthusamy schreef op 2018-08-15 02:31 AM:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Someone who is a UK citizen some years ago registered a .EU internet
> > domain name. This happens to be linked to a legacy Google account
> > which his family uses. The domain Registry has now advised that it
> > will be terminating .EU domains for UK individuals and organisations
> > as early as next year. The legacy Google account will not permit him
> > to change the domain name, and doing so would create a whole range of
> > complications in any case.
> >
> > One solution is to maintain business or residential presence in EU in
> > some manner ifor the sake of the domain. Is there  lany alternative
> > solutions please?
> >
> > Sivasubramanian M
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