[At-Large] [lac-discuss-en] Vistaprint is abandoning .vista

Carlos Raul Gutierrez carlosraul at gutierrez.se
Sat Jul 14 13:48:35 UTC 2018

<<Over the longer term as I said there are better ways to architect
services than putting up the price to make more band aids.>> 

Please elaborate. I also have a very strong feeling that .brands
"categoyr" should be dealt with differently in subsequent rounds, to the
benefit of all other intersted parties 


Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez 
carlosraul at gutierrez.se 
+506 8837 7176 
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El 2018-07-13 09:56, Christian de Larrinaga escribió:

> The challenge with a tax model is that ICANN is not representative. No
> MS is not representative it is a process methodology. ICANN has been
> captured for some years by those who have a financial interest in acting
> as middle men controlling who gets a domain name rooted by the DNS root
> server operators.
> There should be no branding in the DNS - none. It is not technically
> capable as it stands of representing brands. Branding could be supported
> and integrated with the DNS. But the domain name itself is not the
> mechanism to use.
> We've had over two decades of noise around IPRs in the DNS domain names.
> None of the solutions to this are anything more than band aids to try to
> stop a bit of bleeding. The emergence of brand TLDs has created
> opportunities to cut an artery or two. But the idea you cure somebody by
> putting up the price of the surgery does not look like a good idea for
> the patient. It looks self serving for the surgeon.
> Over the longer term as I said there are better ways to architect brand
> services than putting up the price to make more band aids.
> The short term problem is ICANN has misstepped by pushing for brand TLDs
> and accumulated a huge amount of money in the process. If it finds out
> that it needs to spend some or all of that to fix its mess then that is
> not an excuse for passing the buck on to others.
> What ICANN should not do is sell more tld's in order to subsidise fixing
> those already available. At the end of the day the brands who bought
> into and own these domains are responsible for the good conduct and
> service to their users. They bought into it and it is to them that their
> users should and can seek redress if those brands don't stand up to the
> contract they made. ICANN no doubt has some responsibility and possibly
> some potential liability but it is a private sector body and has to live
> and die as such.
> best
> Christian
> Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond wrote: Dear Christian,
> On 12/07/2018 11:40, Christian de Larrinaga wrote: Worth pointing out this note is proposing a tax basis for DNS not a cost
> recovery mechanism. Who gets this tax revenue? Who gets to set it? ICANN
> does not have the credentials. 
> IMHO the "cost recovery basis" is a red herring for the simple reason
> that it is impossible to calculate what a TLD will really cost ICANN
> in the long run. Is it just the cost of processing the application, or
> is it the cost of fixing problems related to that TLD such as the need
> to have more ICANN compliance staff for more TLDs with a higher than
> normal amount of misuse of domains under that TLD?
> The ICANN model is already a tax revenue model where ICANN taxes every
> domain sold and Registries, Registrars and their agenda collect that
> money on behalf of ICANN pretty much like VAT.
> What about setting higher application fees for brand TLDs? I gather
> that the place to discuss this is the subsequent procedures PDP, if
> that has not already been discussed.
> Kindest regards,
> Olivier

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