[At-Large] [ALAC] Idea for an alternative to the EMM proposed in the At-Large Review
Dev Anand Teelucksingh
devtee at gmail.com
Wed Feb 15 03:27:14 UTC 2017
To answer Alan's questions:
* Just who is it in ICANN who will establish and organize these chapters,
and who will carry out any formalities that are needed to allow them to
exist (such as incorporation or creating Bylaws that may be required in
The chapters will be online At-Large chapters with consistent rules,
criteria and process set by the ALAC and ICANN. As such, I'm not thinking
these need to be registered as formal organisations in any country.
Think instead of a RALO, we have a CALO (Country At-Large Organisation)
with the same online support offered by ICANN that's offered to RALOs
(mailing list, wiki accounts, online voting, online conference room support)
* How do you ensure that they do not wither following the exuberance of
creating them (a major problem with ISOC Chapters)?
Because ICANN staff will run the facilities of the online At-Large
Chapters, ICANN and the At-Large Community (RALO and ALAC) will have
metrics as to who are the persons involved in At-Large, how often they
contribute to At-Large, how policy issues are discussed, etc. Online
At-Large Chapters will make At-Large become more accountable and
transparent. Marketing of At-Large Chapters is greatly simplifed - join
At-Large online and you're assigned to the At-Large Chapter in the country.
* How do you handle disputes that may arise between different factions in a
The same way as disputes should be handled with different factions in a
* How do we transition from where we are now to this new model, without
losing the relatively few hard workers we have in each country?
The relatively few hard workers would not be lost.
ALS representatives and members of the ALSes interested in ICANN issues
from the interests of Internet end users would complete an online
application form to join At-Large. If there is concern from "anyone"
joining that may have conflicts of interest relating to the interests of
end users, the ALAC and RALOs can do a "certified" application process,
similar to how organisations become accredited At-Large Structures (RALO
advice on member applications, ALAC decides whether to accept the RALO
Such At-Large persons accepted would then be added to the appropriate
At-Large Chapter list, their RALO list, wiki accounts created (if new) by
The At-Large chapter will be like an ALS in the ALAC/RALO/ALS model.
The At-large chapters members can interact on policy issues, received
updates from staff just as RALOs are notified, participate in WGs, just as
The At-Large chapter would have to select a chair to act on behalf of the
At-Large Chapter. The At-Large chapter can try to work by consensus to
select a member to be a chair but if there are multiple nominations within
the Chapter for the chair, then online elections can be held which are done
by ICANN Staff. The Chair of the At-Large Chapter can participate in the
RALO affairs requiring consensus support or voting on behalf of the
At-Large Chapter. The At-Large Chapter members can work by consensus or
have a vote if consensus can't be reached to direct the chair as to how how
the At-Large Chapter will vote in RALO affairs.
On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>
> If this, or any other major reorganization of At-Large is to happen, it
> will need to be with careful planning and attention to details.
> One of the major flaws of the ITEMS EMM is that it glosses over "details"
> that are in fact major issues. Two examples are just how is it that people
> will suddenly know about us and flock here and exactly how do we recognize
> and track "active" individuals.
> In this model the questions are different. Here are just a few of them:
> - Just who is it in ICANN who will establish and organize these chapters,
> and who will carry out any formalities that are needed to allow them to
> exist (such as incorporation or creating Bylaws that may be required in
> some jurisdictions)
> - How do you ensure that they do not wither following the exuberance of
> creating them (a major problem with ISOC Chapters)?
> - How do you handle disputes that may arise between different factions in
> a country?
> - How do we transition from where we are now to this new model, without
> losing the relatively few hard workers we have in each country?
> This may well be a viable model, and certainly one that could have been
> created at the start. Given the knowledge of the ISOC Chapter model, I have
> no doubt it was seriously considered. If it is going to be sold, it needs
> to be pretty bullet-proof.
> At 13/02/2017 09:04 AM, Dev Anand Teelucksingh wrote:
> Here's an idea for an alternative proposal for At-Large to the EMM model
>> proposed in the At-Large Review
>> My thoughts - The proposed EMM has flaws. Some immediate ones :
>> - it destroys the community and with that, the consensus building of
>> community with replacement
>> of individuals with even less ties to the public community. Such
>> individuals will promote and collude with other individuals to keep
>> themselves in the loop. Also, with many of the policy discussions in GNSO
>> being English, this permanently eliminates persons from developing/emerging
>> economies from non-English from ever participating.
>> - given that any individual could already participate in GNSO, we would
>> be no different from such random individuals
>> - it removes the mandate on oversight and accountability on ICANN
>> activities from end user interests
>> - a thousand individuals in one large country will override 10
>> individuals from a small country so there will be less diversity in the
>> EMM model only from those countries with large number of individuals.
>> - Nomcom appointees to ALAC new to ICANN will serve as Liasions to other
>> groups is not sensible
>> There are many more problems but I want to focus on a IMO a better
>> At-Large model than the EMM one:
>> - ICANN establishes At-Large Chapters in each country similiar in concept
>> to Rotary or ISOC chapters.
>> - each chapter is open to anyone interested in ICANN from the interests
>> of end users.
>> - ICANN can set guidelines for each chapter - some examples: must do
>> certain level of outreach, have term limits, have a public F2F awareness
>> meeting to recruit new persons. ICANN would need to provide some funding to
>> make this happen but this would be small and the chapters can account to
>> ICANN for expenses.
>> - ICANN can provide the tools (mailing lists, conference tools) to
>> facilitate online discussions.
>> - Because there is a consistent brand - At-Large Chapter in the country,
>> marketing/promoting is
>> greatly simplified and easier to explain.
>> - Given that such chapters are virtual, it makes chapters easy to
>> establish with only a few individuals from a country without the challenges
>> of having formal organisations with bylaws and pay taxes.
>> So an At-Large chapter ends up being a virtual ALS in each country in the
>> ALAC/RALO/ALS model.
>> The RALOs will consist of the chapters from each country in the region
>> with each chapter electing two persons to coordinate the RALO work. The
>> RALO will be better positioned to better fulfil its MOUs with ICANN and the
>> RALO and ALAC would not have to bother with analysing whether an
>> organisation meets the criteria of an ALS.
>> The At-Large chapters will be better able to network with At-Large
>> chapters in other countries and build consensus on policy issues and help
>> promote and grow the At-Large Community.
>> Dev Anand
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