[At-Large] [ALAC] Idea for an alternative to the EMM proposed in the At-Large Review

Aida Noblia aidanoblia at gmail.com
Tue Feb 14 08:01:22 UTC 2017


I agree with Alejandro and with the three points of his propose. They are a
good global solution for to improve the funcionality of ALs, and resolve
the problems  ITEMS saw.

Regards

Aída Noblia


2017-02-14 0:31 GMT-03:00 Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch <apisan at unam.mx>:

> John,
>
> indeed the size of the organizations varies widely. That is one of the
> facts that guided the design.
>
> Some organizations may claim to have 150,000 members and others 50. The
> Web-of-trust concept applies first to obtain some certainty about the
> validity of these claims. The vetting process allows for that too. And you
> more or less know, at least within the region of the RALO, whom you are
> actually speaking with.
>
> Another significant point against Dev's and in general "ICANN chapter"
> designs is that ALSs are diverse in another sense: functional diversity.
> Some would be primarily engineering or technical organizations (though in
> practice most of these abhor the At Large), others are lawyers'
> associations, others are primarily oriented to the defense of consumer or
> other rights, etc. This is one of the design principles that has more or
> less panned out.
>
> We could do much better if we assessed ALSes for 1. fit under ICANN's
> mission, 2. ability to represent or transmit users concerns, 3. relevant
> activity - and repeat this assessment periodically. The salutary effects of
> this practice would reverse much of what the ITEMS study correctly calls a
> problem.
>
> Alejandro Pisanty
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> *Desde:* at-large-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org [
> at-large-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] en nombre de John Laprise [
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> *Enviado el:* lunes, 13 de febrero de 2017 14:47
> *Hasta:* 'ALAC Working List'; 'At-Large Worldwide'
> *Asunto:* Re: [At-Large] [ALAC] Idea for an alternative to the EMM
> proposed in the At-Large Review
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> I think we’re missing a point that the report inadvertently revealed and
> which it is trying to indirectly address.
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> The RALOs are all very, very different. Size, state of the Internet, and
> concerns of the region, not to mention the governments that tend to be
> prevalent. Creating a one size fits all type of RALO will be hard. If we
> seek to restructure the concept of RALOs, the new structure has to address
> the diverse ecosystems that exist within these geographical areas.
>
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>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
> John Laprise, Ph.D.
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> Consulting Scholar
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> *From:* at-large-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:at-large-bounces@
> atlarge-lists.icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Javier Rua
> *Sent:* Monday, February 13, 2017 2:31 PM
> *To:* John R. Levine <johnl at iecc.com>
> *Cc:* ALAC Working List <alac at atlarge-lists.icann.org>; At-Large
> Worldwide <at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [At-Large] [ALAC] Idea for an alternative to the EMM
> proposed in the At-Large Review
>
>
>
> Two sovereign states.  "A country may be an independent sovereign state or
> one that is occupied by another state, as a non-sovereign or formerly
> sovereign political division, or a geographic region associated with sets
> of previously independent or differently associated people with distinct
> political characteristics." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Country
>
> Javier Rúa-Jovet
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> twitter: @javrua
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> skype: javier.rua1
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> https://www.linkedin.com/in/javrua
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> On Feb 13, 2017, at 4:24 PM, John R. Levine <johnl at iecc.com> wrote:
>
> There are 8 territories in NA region
>
>
> These are countries:
>
>
> * Canada
>
> * United States
>
>
> These are US territories whcih for historical reasons have ISO 3166 codes:
>
>
> * American Samoa
>
> * Guam
>
> * Northern Mariana Islands
>
> * Puerto Rico
>
> * United States Minor Outlying Islands
>
> * Virgin Islands, U.S.
>
>
> The minor outlying islands are uninahbited, the rest other than Puerto
> Rico are tiny with a combined population less than Wyoming, the smallest US
> state.
>
> Really, there are two countries in the NA region, the US and Canada.  It
> is vanishingly unlikely there will ever be an ALS from any US territory
> other than Puerto Rico because they are so small.
>
> Canada also has three thinly populated territories but since they are
> contiguous with the rest of Canada, ISO 3166 never noticed them.
>
> Canada is divided into provinces and the US into states, but in both
> countries the large provinces and states are vastly larger than the
> smallest ones so they're not a very good way to subdivide, either.
>
> We now return you to whatever we were talking about before.
>
> R's,
> John
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