[At-Large] IGO names: is this worth war?

Yrjö Länsipuro yrjo_lansipuro at hotmail.com
Tue Nov 1 13:47:18 UTC 2016

+1 from me too


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   +1 Evan

On 11/1/2016 8:00 PM, Evan Leibovitch wrote:
> Hello everyone,
> As the Hyderabad meeting gets underway, we have a potential for a conflict that,
> according to some, is a source of utter panic and a critical-enough battle that
> it is worth threatening ICANN's stability... and people still haven't yet fully
> recovered from the transition and the Ted Cruz scare.
> I am speaking of the Governmental Advisory Commitee (GAC) wanting to reserve
> about 230 names and acronyms of inter-governmental organizations  (IGOs), and
> its threat to pull out of ICANN entirely and take its issues to the ITU
> Standardization Assembly.
> The whole story can be found in a post at DomainIncite
> <http://domainincite.com/21215-rant-governments-raise-yet-another-un-threat-to-icann>

RANT: Governments raise yet another UN threat to ICANN | Domain Incite - Domain Name Industry News, Analysis & Opinion<http://domainincite.com/21215-rant-governments-raise-yet-another-un-threat-to-icann>
ICANN's transition away from US government oversight is not even a month old and the same old bullshit power struggles and existential threats appear to be in play as strongly as ever. Governments, via the chair of the Governmental Advisory Committee, last week yet again threatened that they could withdraw from ICANN and seek refuge within the UN's International Telecommunications Union if they don't get what they want from the rest of the community. It's the kind of thing the IANA transition was supposed to minimize, but just weeks later it appears that little has really changed in the rarefied world of ICANN politicking. Thomas Schneider, GAC chair, said this on a conference call between the ICANN board and the Generic Names Supporting Organization on Thursday: I'm just urging you about considering what happens if many governments consider that this system does not work. They go to other institutions. If we are not able to defend public interest in this institution we need to go

> that contains both profanity and apocalyptic tones.
> At the threat of being an ICANN heretic (and it wouldn't be the first time), I'm
> on the side of the governments here.
> [ Disclosure: I currently work at an agency that would be among the protected
> IGOs. However I have been involved in this issue, at the ICANN working group
> level, for many years, and my position is no different now than it was then. ]
> While it is overkill to give a blanket ban on every IGO, I would rather give
> protection to a handful of organizations that don't need it, in return for
> protecting a number of organizations that would be critically impacted if their
> names were not protected. I am speaking specifically regarding organizations
> that do significant public fundraising in the public good -- the Red Cross (+
> Red Crescent, etc), UNICEF, UNHCR, and others
> I was involved when the issue first came up in 2011; there was a working group
> that was proposing to reserve names for the Red Cross and Olympics in all gTLDs.
> Most in the group were either all-for or all-against; I was split, opposing the
> Olympic reservations but strongly supporting reservations of any Red Cross
> related names or translations.
> I still believe that the ICRC needs protection more than the IOC, but given the
> choice of protecting both or protecting neither I would absolutely come down on
> the side of "both". *There most absolutely is a public interest in the
> reservation of names related to the Red Cross, United Nations and other IGOs,
> especially those that are engaged in public information or fundraising.*
> *
> *
> It matters far more to me that a scammer is prevented before-the-fact from
> registering "redcross-italy-earthquake.xyz
> <http://redcross-italy-earthquake.xyz>" than that the domain industry is free to
> sell "UNDP.whatever" to a speculator. By the time a URS claim could be filed
> against the scammer and adjudicated, the damage is done and the scammer moves on.
> IMO it is not in the interest of the At-Large community to support the
> unfettered entitlement of the domain industry to sell whatever it wants without
> consideration of consequences. It is in our interests to keep the public from
> being harmed through the actions of the DNS. And, /on the balance/, this means
> that reserving the names of IGOs serves the public interest.
> The domain industry's main counter-argument is that it should be entitled to
> sell whatever it wants. It believes that that WHO, the acronym for the World
> Health Organization but also a dictionary word, should be fair game to be sold
> as a domain to an ageing rock band or anyone else.
> But I am concerned that a scammer -- or others with bad intent -- could use the
> WHO.something domain to present themselves as the World Health Organization and
> either present misinformation or engage in scamming fundraising. In a
> public-health context such misuse could have horrible aftermath.The harm to the
> domain community by blocking WHO.everything is less, IMO, than the harm to the
> public from letting that go to the highest bidder. (Of course the WHO is always
> within its ability to permit who.something to point to the rock band, etc)
> If the counter is that ICANN's MSM process does not allow for this kind of
> accommodation -- that the GNSO demands for wide open domains do not provide for
> this kind of exception -- then the process is broken. It must be remembered that
> -- pre-transition or post- -- ICANN is not itself an IGO. Sovereign states are
> not treaty-bound to honor GNSO policy decrees, they do so through trust and
> goodwill. If that goodwill is damaged then, ICANN will pay a heavy and possibly
> irreversible price.
> There are many good places to take a principled stand in support of the MSM and
> against dictatorial control of the DNS. But reserving IGO names is not one of
> those good places. As much as I abhor the reserving of the string "olympic",
> that speaks more to my personal belief in the corruption of the IOC than
> principled opposition to the concept.
> If the ALAC is consulted on this issue -- or if it considers issuing advice on
> its own initiative -- I simply ask that it asserts the point of view of the
> public interest, which is not always in selling the maximum number of domains
> for the maximum obtainable price.
> Thank you.
> Evan Leibovitch
> Toronto / Geneva
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