[At-Large] CCWG Briefings - Presentation

parminder parminder at itforchange.net
Sat Feb 27 14:40:18 UTC 2016


 I mean a check against abuse of power is a check only when the
potential abuser can feel it breathing down its neck.... parminder

On Saturday 27 February 2016 08:07 PM, parminder wrote:
> Seun
>
> Firstly, there is huge difference between the one authoritative root,
> and the 13 root zone servers, and still more between these and their
> anycast instances... These three kinds can simply not be spoken of in
> the same breath. This is even more so when we are talking about
> creating a fully ready redundant system for immediate take over.
>
> Second, when a really effective check is being devised against
> possible abuse of US state's jurisdictional power (about which
> strangely no stress test ever gets done - I mean in the oversight
> transition proposal development process - when the real possibilities
> are all around us) it can be effective only when the whole parallel
> setup is fully ready and switch-able rather quickly. The current
> configuration has little or no value as the kind of check I am talking
> about.
>
> Now, whether we are at all interested in devising such a check is an
> entirely different matter.. How meticulous have we been in devising
> various other kinds of checks during the transition proposal
> development process.. Then why such callousness with regard to this
> vital check, which covers an area that, we all know, has been perhaps
> the single biggest concern regarding the current ICANN oversight
> mechanism, for most people, groups and countries.... Frankly, I really
> do not understand it.
>
> parminder 
>
> On Saturday 27 February 2016 07:26 PM, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
>>
>> Sent from my LG G4
>> Kindly excuse brevity and typos
>> On 27 Feb 2016 12:22 p.m., "parminder" <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > As a stop gap measure, before such incorporation under
>> international law can be worked out, a new ICANN free from formal
>> NTIA oversight should set up a parallel redundant authoritative root
>> in a non US location, which is fully primed to work and take over
>> from the US based one the moment there is any interference by the US
>> state - whether its judicial, legislative or executive branch, either
>> in ICANN's policy process, or actual entries in the authoritative
>> root. Since Internet's root system works by reputation and 'community
>> acceptance' and not by any necessary physical components and
>> linkages, this should be easy to work out.. This IMHO would be the
>> best interim check on the US state's possibilities to interfere with
>> ICANN/ root file business.
>> >
>> SO: At the moment there are root server replica across the globe.
>> Technically it implies that each of those root can be potential
>> authoritative root (if absolutely required). So I don't think setting
>> up a redundant authoritative root outside US have any significant
>> advantage in that it's only authoritative if active and not when
>> redundant.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> > parminder 
>> >
>> > On Friday 26 February 2016 09:31 PM, Karl Auerbach wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 2/26/16 12:55 AM, Evan Leibovitch wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Karl makes a compelling case why ICANN should not be a California
>> corporation.
>> >>
>> >> That was not my point at all.
>> >>
>> >> One can go to pretty much any country, any state, on the Earth and
>> will find similar laws.
>> >>
>> >> There will, of course, be variations in color and texture among
>> those laws.  But no matter where, when people pool their interests in
>> a common enterprise there will be the same questions of control
>> during times of agreement and times of disagreement.  From the 17th
>> to the 20th century European ideas of organization were spread around
>> the world.
>> >>
>> >> These laws have been polished through centuries of experience. 
>> Those who think they have a better idea often discover that that idea
>> has occurred before and was found wanting.
>> >>
>> >> I am old enough to have come of age during the "flower power" era
>> of the 1960's.  I saw (and experienced) a lot of people and groups
>> who rejected "the establishment" and sought to reshape the world
>> along lines that were less confrontational,  more "personally
>> empowered", more "love, peace, and good vibes".   Those attempts,
>> like previous Utopian movements, faded because they were based on
>> aspirations rather than recognition of hard lessons of experience
>> with human nature.
>> >>
>> >> These proposals to restructure ICANN are similarly aspirational. 
>> And similarly unrealistic.
>> >>
>> >> Perhaps most unrealistic is the idea that "we can just pick up and
>> move to somewhere else".
>> >>
>> >> The grass is not always greener on the other side of the fence. 
>> And if one takes a look around it's going to be hard to find a place
>> that is more amenable than California to innovated organizational
>> structures.  Which is a good reason to look at what the aging Hippies
>> who now run California have put into California's
>> public-benefit/non-profit corporations law with regard to membership
>> and the powers of that membership.
>> >>
>> >> Don't fight the system.  Use it.
>> >>
>> >>         --karl--
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>  
>> >>
>> >>
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