[At-Large] CCWG Briefings - Presentation
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Sat Feb 27 13:56:14 UTC 2016
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On 27 Feb 2016 12:22 p.m., "parminder" <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:
> As a stop gap measure, before such incorporation under international law
can be worked out, a new ICANN free from formal NTIA oversight should set
up a parallel redundant authoritative root in a non US location, which is
fully primed to work and take over from the US based one the moment there
is any interference by the US state - whether its judicial, legislative or
executive branch, either in ICANN's policy process, or actual entries in
the authoritative root. Since Internet's root system works by reputation
and 'community acceptance' and not by any necessary physical components and
linkages, this should be easy to work out.. This IMHO would be the best
interim check on the US state's possibilities to interfere with ICANN/ root
SO: At the moment there are root server replica across the globe.
Technically it implies that each of those root can be potential
authoritative root (if absolutely required). So I don't think setting up a
redundant authoritative root outside US have any significant advantage in
that it's only authoritative if active and not when redundant.
> On Friday 26 February 2016 09:31 PM, Karl Auerbach wrote:
>> On 2/26/16 12:55 AM, Evan Leibovitch wrote:
>>> Karl makes a compelling case why ICANN should not be a California
>> That was not my point at all.
>> One can go to pretty much any country, any state, on the Earth and will
find similar laws.
>> There will, of course, be variations in color and texture among those
laws. But no matter where, when people pool their interests in a common
enterprise there will be the same questions of control during times of
agreement and times of disagreement. From the 17th to the 20th century
European ideas of organization were spread around the world.
>> These laws have been polished through centuries of experience. Those
who think they have a better idea often discover that that idea has
occurred before and was found wanting.
>> I am old enough to have come of age during the "flower power" era of the
1960's. I saw (and experienced) a lot of people and groups who rejected
"the establishment" and sought to reshape the world along lines that were
less confrontational, more "personally empowered", more "love, peace, and
good vibes". Those attempts, like previous Utopian movements, faded
because they were based on aspirations rather than recognition of hard
lessons of experience with human nature.
>> These proposals to restructure ICANN are similarly aspirational. And
>> Perhaps most unrealistic is the idea that "we can just pick up and move
to somewhere else".
>> The grass is not always greener on the other side of the fence. And if
one takes a look around it's going to be hard to find a place that is more
amenable than California to innovated organizational structures. Which is
a good reason to look at what the aging Hippies who now run California have
put into California's public-benefit/non-profit corporations law with
regard to membership and the powers of that membership.
>> Don't fight the system. Use it.
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