[At-Large] Fwd: [council] Final Issue Report on New gTLD Subsequent Procedures

Kan Kaili kankaili at gmail.com
Sat Dec 19 16:13:46 UTC 2015

Talking about the new gTLD program, I remember attending the 2011 ICANN 41 in Singapore.  As I remember, that time George Sadowski was the only Board member who voted against it.  Maybe some of his opinions, as well as records of the debate, could shed some light for new comers like me to better understand the issue.

I just wonder where I can find this.  Anybody can help?  Thank you.

Kaili Kan

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Carlton Samuels 
  To: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond 
  Cc: John R. Levine ; At-Large Worldwide 
  Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2015 10:14 PM
  Subject: Re: [At-Large] Fwd: [council] Final Issue Report on New gTLD Subsequent Procedures

  I can attest to all that Olivier has recorded here.  Our colleague Evan Leibovitch, as penholder on the ALAC statement on PAG had a greater task keeping us focused on the priority topics than finding grist for what was wrong with the details of the program, at least from our perspective. 

  We were the first to call the Morality and Public Order clause odious and an assault on common sense.  And despite the severe criticism the ALAC, to its credit, did not back off our interest in the Applicant Support initiative. This never met expectations. But at least we were in the fight. We should be proud of the body of work from the ALAC in that period.


  Carlton A Samuels
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  On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com> wrote:

    Dear Christopher,

    sorry I am only picking this up now - it was filed in the wrong folder.
    My comments below:

    On 09/12/2015 20:08, Christopher Wilkinson wrote:
    > Hmmm … following a brief read (there are 160 pp.), it would appear:
    > 1.    That there was no attempt to update the 2010 economic studies, which were considered to be adequate.

    The economic study (which can be found at
    https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2010-12-03-en ) was published in
    two parts, such was the pressure on ICANN to be able to tick the
    "economic study" box that had been set along the path to launching the
    new gTLD process. From memory, a public consultation on these reports
    was never launched. The only ALAC comment relating to the Applicant
    Guidebook & the new gTLD program was here:
    As you can see, the ALAC was not happy about a number of things which
    then came back to bite ICANN later on. "told you so"
    In the meantime, read the economic study and you'll see how naive and
    rushed it is.

    > 2.    There is one reference to an opinion that the demand for new gTLDs was 'illusory'. Not clear whether this refers to the demand from Registries or from Registrants.

    There was a demand for new gTLDs from potential applicants. Some
    applicants had already "sold" their program to investors and clients. I
    have strong memories of the ICANN public forum having scores of people
    queueing up asking the Board to give the new gTLD program the go ahead,
    and that the applicant guidebook was good enough to be signed off. The
    ALAC view, as you can see from above, was that it wasn't ready. That
    introduced some tension all around, with some people accusing the ALAC
    that it was against new gTLDs and that this position was counter to
    Internet end users out there who couldn't register domain names in an
    already crowded space. The ALAC stood by its position but was completely
    ignored. Moreover you'll note that there's a complete fumble on ICANN's
    part with regards to Registrant Rights & Responsibilities with a botched
    "Registrant Benefits" part and "Registrant Rights" sub-part. Anyway ---
    very poor follow-up on this on ICANN's part.

    As a result, I am shedding no tears for any failed new gTLD. I am sorry
    for the end users that are going to be affected and I think that the
    ALAC needs to watch this very closely, to make sure end users who have
    registered domains in new gTLDs are treated well. The ALAC's relevant
    working groups should keep a watch over that. Unfortunately the most
    active participants are already flat out on ICANN Accountability & other
    things, but the WGs would benefit from sharp eyes & tongues.

    > 3.    There are several references to the financial evaluation of the applicants. However, one may wonder what that consisted of as applied to 800+ applicants (and still counting).
    >       I would have to ask how many qualified financial analysts would have been required to do a serious job on so many applications in such a short period of time.
    >       In my time it was called risk analysis; nowadays it is called 'stress tests'.
    > The gist of the report seems to be to recommend a massive new PDP to review and propose what to do next. Every conceivable topic is included, except the economics of the DNS markets and the financial position of the Registries. Perhaps some prioritisation is called for.

    At-Large participants will need to be part of that PDP. Expect it to
    start soon as once again there are forces out there that want another
    application round of Ponz... I mean new gTLDs to start as soon as possible.
    Kindest regards,


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