[At-Large] Fwd: Re: Third and final try...

Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond ocl at gih.com
Fri Jul 24 15:10:23 UTC 2015

FYI. Tom has found my suggested text to be acceptable.
Kind regards,


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Subject: 	Re: Third and final try...
Date: 	Fri, 24 Jul 2015 06:26:16 +0100
From: 	Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com>
To: 	Thomas Lowenhaupt <toml at communisphere.com>
CC: 	Ariel Liang <ariel.liang at icann.org>

Thanks Tom. I am trying to deliberately make the list as generic as
possible because if we go to further detail then we'll have people
complaining we did not go into details in listing other category of
TLDs, like Community TLDs. Would the following text work:
"How would city administrators, businesses, people using City TLDs have
their voice heard in GNSO processes"?
Kindest regards,


On 24/07/2015 04:14, Thomas Lowenhaupt wrote:
> Olivier,
> Just to be clear, here's my recommended text:
> "How would city administrators, businesses, health, education, and
> cultural entities, and ordinary people using City TLDs have their
> voice heard in GNSO processes"?
> Thanks again,
> Tom
>     Olivier,
>     Sounds good. I'd suggest one change.
>     Where it says: "How would the people using City TLDs have their
>     voice heard"
>     I'd elaborate a bit to show the complexity, thus: "How would city
>     administrators, businesses, health, education, and cultural
>     entities, and ordinary people using City TLDs have their voice
>     heard in GNSO processes"?
>     Thanks,
>     Tom
>         -------- Original Message --------
>         Subject: Re: [At-Large] [ALAC] [ALAC-Announce] CALL FOR
>         COMMENTS: ALAC
>         Statement on the Draft Report: Review of the Generic Names
>         Supporting
>         Organization
>         From: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com>
>         Date: Thu, July 23, 2015 8:04 pm
>         To: alac at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>         <mailto:alac at atlarge-lists.icann.org>, At-Large Worldwide
>         <at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>         <mailto:at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>>
>         Hello everyone,
>         thank you very much for your comments which have been very
>         helpful.
>         I suggest appending the following text to the reply to
>         Recommendation #23
>         ·        The ICANN core value cited as the reason the Report
>         provides for more constituencies is about broad participation
>         in policy making.  The formation of more constituencies is not
>         the only way to expand participation, and it ignores the
>         existence and role of the ALAC.  ALAC, with its
>         representatives from five regions, from a wide range of
>         language groups and myriad internet user groups is far better
>         placed to provide that broad participation. A better and more
>         achievable way to achieve the broad participation sought is to
>         support and encourage ALAC members to engage in policy processes.
>         Also adding the following main text in the General Comments
>         Section:
>         --- cut here ---
>         Whilst the ALAC support almost all of the recommendations made
>         in the Westlake Report, the ALAC is concerned that the vast
>         majority of the recommendations focus on GNSO Working Groups
>         and suggest making small adjustments rather than taking a
>         serious look at the GNSO Council's bicameral structure.
>         Examples of areas for review are numerous and not limited to:
>         ·        The current structure of the GNSO Council provides
>         the ability for a more united vote in the Contracted Party
>         House whilst fragmenting the Non-Contracted Party house to the
>         point of imbalance. The unprecedented growth of Contracted
>         Parties caused by the new gTLD Program has not been addressed.
>         What might have been a homogeneous Constituency might now be
>         more heterogeneous and the potential consequences of this
>         change have not been studied. For example, City TLDs are an
>         entirely new breed of Registry; so are Brand TLDs. How does
>         this affect the current status quo? How would the people using
>         City TLDs have their voice heard
>         ·        Other commenters in the At-Large Community have noted
>         that the proposals for more geographically balanced
>         representation appeared to be focused on finding new
>         participants from outside the GNSO’s usual territory. A
>         question to ask is how many gTLD registries and gTLDs are
>         domiciled both legally and operationally in each of the ICANN
>         regions both before and after the recent expansion of gTLD
>         space under the GNSO's auspices. The Westlake Review misses on
>         the opportunity to potentially reveal a hidden pattern that
>         the ICANN GNSO is self-reinforcing the domain name business
>         geopolitically and whether that is underpinning the Westlake
>         observation of the concentration of the GNSO’s constituencies
>         as North American and European.
>         ·        GNSO Working Groups are open for all participants
>         including non-GNSO Constituency members – but the GNSO
>         Council, thanks to its very structure, has the ability to
>         affect a working group’s results. Voting is one of the ways to
>         support or halt recommendations from a bottom-up PDP.
>         The ALAC believes that the complex issues of GNSO structure
>         and processes need to be studied now. The ALAC reminds the
>         Reviewers of the At-Large Future Challenges Working Group R3
>         White Paper
>         (http://www.atlarge.icann.org/correspondence/correspondence-01oct12-en.htm
>         ) drafted in 2012 and containing proposals that should be
>         explored.
>         Reinforcing ALAC’s view is its recollection of several of its
>         members that during the first GNSO Review, it was understood
>         that Constituencies and the creation of “Stakeholder Groups”
>         were going to be reviewed at the next iteration. Tragically,
>         this is missing from the current report.
>         --- cut here ---
>         As we only have 24 hours until the closing of the comment
>         period, please let me know ASAP if this is satisfactory.
>         Kindest regards,
>         Olivier
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Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD

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