[At-Large] [APAC-Discuss] Jack Ma New Co-Chair of Global Internet Governance Alliance #AliBaba #GIGA

Mon Jul 6 17:58:24 UTC 2015

Hello All, 

(Pitch in my two cents as a Chinese)

I did a bit research and found out that China's state media (including
Xinhua, people.cn, CCTV) have been using the term Global Internet
Governance Alliance (全球互联网治理联盟）to refer to NETmundial Initiative
since 
January this year, if not earlier:
- http://news.xinhuanet.com/politics/2015-01/22/c_1114096527.htm
- http://world.people.com.cn/n/2015/0701/c1002-27239867.html
- http://bit.ly/1S3c8bJ

There is also a Baidu Baike page (China’s equivalent of wikipedia) about
NMI (http://bit.ly/1Th0JYh), which is also referred to as Global Internet
Governance Alliance (全球互联网治理联盟).

This confusion is likely caused by translation. The term NETmundial seems
to be translated into Chinese based on the meaning and the mission of the
organization (NETmundial = Global Internet Governance = 全球互联网治理).
When the 
Chinese reporter(s) wrote about NETmundial in English, I suspect that they
referred to NMI’s Chinese translated term and translated it literally back
into English, hence NETmundial Initiative has become Global Internet
Governance Alliance. So the term was lost in translation (EN —> ZH —> EN).

I will check with our colleagues in Beijing who may have connections to
the reporter(s). They may help sort out this naming confusion.

Thank you,
Ariel 

-----Original Message-----
From: <Subrenat>, Jean-Jacques <jjs at dyalog.net>
Date: Monday, July 6, 2015 at 4:30 AM
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Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] [At-Large] Jack Ma New Co-Chair of Global
Internet Governance Alliance #AliBaba #GIGA

>Hello,
>
>having taken part in the face-to-face meeting of the NetMundial
>Initiative Coordination Council (NMI/CC, Sao Paulo 29-30 June 2015), but
>writing in a private capacity, I find it useful to clarify a few points :
>
>- As far as I'm aware, the term "Global Internet Governance Alliance
>(GIGA)" exists only in a piece written by "New China", based on a report
>filed from Sao Paulo by Xinhua, the official news agency of China (and,
>by the way, "New China" is the English translation of Xinhua 新华). The
>Xinhua report itself seems to be based on interviews conducted
>on-the-spot by its reporter(s). In this context, the term GIGA seems to
>be an amalgamation of various interviews. And as far as I can make out,
>the news agency correspondents in Sao Paulo were not necessarily experts
>in Internet matters, nor perhaps of English. The New China piece was
>brought to our attention on this thread by Salanieta:
>http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-07/01/c_134373596.htm
>
>- Also, it would have been useful for those journalists reporting from
>Sao Paulo to check, and they would have discovered that the term GIGA is
>already in use in a different Internet context: the Institute of Global
>Internet Governance and Advocacy (GIGA) at Nalsar University in India has
>organized conferences on those themes, and I was invited as a speaker to
>the "GIGA-1 conference" (Hyderabad 2012),
>http://cis-india.org/news/giga-conference
>
>- During the 2-day meeting in Sao Paulo, and as far as I'm aware, there
>was no reference to a "GIGA", whether as a synonym of, or a replacement
>for NMI/CC.
>
>- As a member of the global Internet user community, and as a Member of
>the NMI Coordination Council writing in a private capacity, I consider
>that there are no grounds for suspecting any sort of maneuver aimed at
>transforming NMI/CC into, or it being taken over by, a so-called "GIGA".
>
>Jean-Jacques.
>
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>----- Mail original -----
>De: "Evan Leibovitch" <evan at telly.org>
>À: "Joao Carlos Caribe" <caribe at entropia.blog.br>
>Cc: members2014 at thespacs.org, "PacNOG" <pacnog at pacnog.org>,
>oceania-icann at icann.org, "Caribbean ICT stakeholders Virtual Community
>(CIVIC)" <civic at dgroups.org>, "Pacific Islands Chapter of the Internet
>Society Discussion List" <picisoc at picisoc.org>, "igf-pacific"
><igf-pacific at googlegroups.com>, "Arab IGF mailing list"
><list at igfarab.org>, "apralo" <apac-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org>,
>"At-Large Worldwide" <at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>, "Cecily FAASAU"
><cf at regulator.gov.ws>
>Envoyé: Dimanche 5 Juillet 2015 23:52:37
>Objet: Re: [At-Large] Jack Ma New Co-Chair of Global Internet Governance
>Alliance #AliBaba #GIGA
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>
>Enough of the cheerleading and lists of names, please.
>
>I am still waiting for a straight and honest answer from ANYONE: What is
>the relationship between this body and the Netmundial Initiative?
>On Jul 5, 2015 5:40 PM, "Joao Carlos Caribe" < caribe at entropia.blog.br >
>wrote: 
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>Ad to this group of co-chairs FUndacao Getulio Vargas /CTI Brazil and HRW
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>_ João Carlos Caribé
>
>(21) 9 8761 1967 
>
>Enviado via iPad 
>
>Em 05/07/2015, às 18:00, Vanda Scartezini < vanda at uol.com.br > escreveu:
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>lot’s of names but I also am waiting fro something come out - I did not
>go to this event, but ICANN staff here went and so did Jean Jacques.
>Jean Jacques sent out a new report about the event. Guess worth to read
>it. 
>World economic Forum + Alibaba from China + CGI.br + CEO of ICANN looks
>an interesting group to chair this.
>let’s read JJ and debate later.. I had no opportunity to read it yet.
>Best regards, 
>
>
>Vanda Scartezini 
>Polo Consultores Associados
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>So rry for any typos.
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>From: < at-large-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org > on behalf of Evan
>Leibovitch < evan at telly.org >
>Date: Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 12:09
>To: Carlton Samuels < carlton.samuels at gmail.com >
>Cc: PacNOG < pacnog at pacnog.org >, igf-pacific <
>igf-pacific at googlegroups.com >, "Caribbean ICT stakeholders Virtual
>Community (CIVIC)" < civic at dgroups.org >, Pacific Islands Chapter of the
>Internet Society Discussion List < picisoc at picisoc.org >, "
>oceania-icann at icann.org " < oceania-icann at icann.org >, Arab IGF mailing
>list < list at igfarab.org >, 'apralo' <
>apac-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org >, < members2014 at thespacs.org >,
>'At-Large Worldwide' < at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org >, Cecily FAASAU
>< cf at regulator.gov.ws >
>Subject: Re: [At-Large] Jack Ma New Co-Chair of Global Internet
>Governance Alliance #AliBaba #GIGA
>
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>OK, I'm confused. 
>
>
>We have the Netmundial Event, The Netmundul initiative (NMI) and now
>GIGA. 
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>The three movers of NMI are ICANN, the WEF and CGI.br .
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>GIGA is co-sponsored by ICANN, the Brazilian Internet Steering Committee
>and the World Economic Forum to provide a platform for the discussion of
>Internet governance solutions.
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>As far as I understood, the "Brazilian Internet Steering Commitee" *is*
>CGI.br 
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>So what is the relationship between NMI and GIGA? Are they parallel orgs?
>Was there a rename that I missed?
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>And Carlton said that
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>the Council has formally adopted the Terms of Reference of the NMI that
>led to the Sao Paulo event
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>(In this context, NMI does *not* appear to refer to the calamotous
>"solution in search of a problem" NMI -- the one that ISOC and others
>have refused to join -- formed AFTER the Sao Paulo event and seeming to
>share few of its values. But rather, it seems to refer to the SP event's
>own outcomes. Or do I have that wrong?)
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>On one hand, I read the news of Chinese participation -- its
>acknowledgement of the goals and values of Netmundial -- and share
>Carlton's optimism. On the other, I look around and see another new
>source of needless confusion and redundancies that make the whole
>situation even more impenetrable to non-insiders than before.
>
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>On 2 July 2015 at 10:30, Carlton Samuels < carlton.samuels at gmail.com >
>wrote: 
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>I joined the event remotely and listened to Ja Ma's speech with keen
>interest. Quite frankly, I was pleasantly surprised how direct he was..
>
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>I cannot be pessimistic as my friend Parminder and would urge us not to
>make the perfect the enemy of the good. For those who went to Sao Paulo
>and followed the evolution of the NMI, the Council has formally adopted
>the Terms of Reference of the NMI that led to the Sao Paulo event. The
>Council has committed to do practical things to advance the outcomes from
>Sao Paulo, including advancing the work and role of the IGF and
>furthering the objectives of WSIS.
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>
>Good enough. 
>
>
>Now, Jack Ma (CEO of Alibaba, usually referred in metropolitan
>publications as 'the Chinese e-commerce giant') could have opted to sign
>up for the World Economic Forum (WEF)-led thing, the one that even as it
>utilised Orwellian-derived language to announce itself, baldly refuted
>the multistakeholder, equality-in-access approach to Internet governance.
>Instead, he signed with the Brazilian-initiated initiative. As I listened
>to Jack Ma, I had a sense that he truly understands connecting each of us
>to all of us is in the collective best interest, Alibaba included. I
>think he gets it that for most of us, the Internet is about development.
>I think he gets it that exploiting the Internet for profit does not
>preclude other dire uses. And he definitely understands that intrusions
>of one or other kind could be inimical to all our interests.
>
>
>So, what do you do? I will take the Council's word on its commitment. And
>since they have also embraced a model that allow us to talk to them and
>let them know if they go astray, we have a way to at least enjoin them to
>account. 
>
>
>It is as good as it gets.
>
>
>-Carlton 
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>Mobile: 876-818-1799
>Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround
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>On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 7:26 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <
>salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com > wrote:
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>Dear All, 
>
>Apologies for the crossposting but this I found interesting:
>
>http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-07/01/c_134373596.htm
>
>
>SAO PAULO, June 30 (Xinhua) -- Jack Ma, founder of China's ecommerce
>giant Alibaba, was elected co-chairman of the Global Internet Governance
>Alliance (GIGA) at the first general meeting of GIGA council held here
>Tuesday . 
>
>"This election signifies trust in China's Internet, and how China governs
>its Internet," said Ma.
>
>The meeting was set to discuss key issues related to international
>cooperation on Internet governance while highlighting China's role.
>
>Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff had called for a just and equal global
>Internet environment and regarded China as the "key factor to the success
>of global Internet governance," said Fadi Chehade, president of the
>Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN).
>
>Rousseff had suggested he find Chinese partners for cooperation, Chehade
>said. 
>
>To establish a multiple-stakeholder platform, Chehade said that dialogues
>among different partners should be improved, the platform should be
>transparent and just, and all stakeholders should be able to equally
>participate in global Internet governance.
>
>GIGA is co-sponsored by ICANN, the Brazilian Internet Steering Committee
>and the World Economic Forum to provide a platform for the discussion of
>Internet governance solutions.
>
>-- 
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