[At-Large] Jack Ma New Co-Chair of Global Internet Governance Alliance #AliBaba #GIGA

Sun Jul 5 21:52:37 UTC 2015

Enough of the cheerleading and lists of names, please.

I am still waiting for a straight and honest answer from ANYONE: What is
the relationship between this body and the Netmundial Initiative?
On Jul 5, 2015 5:40 PM, "Joao Carlos Caribe" <caribe at entropia.blog.br>
wrote:

> Ad to this group of co-chairs FUndacao Getulio Vargas /CTI Brazil and HRW
>
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> Em 05/07/2015, às 18:00, Vanda Scartezini <vanda at uol.com.br> escreveu:
>
> lot’s of names but I also am waiting fro something come out - I did not go
> to this event, but ICANN staff here went and so did Jean Jacques.
> Jean Jacques sent out a new report about the event. Guess worth to read it.
> World economic Forum + Alibaba from China + CGI.br + CEO of ICANN  looks
> an *interesting* group to chair this.
>  let’s read JJ and debate later. I had no opportunity to read it yet.
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> From: <at-large-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Evan
> Leibovitch <evan at telly.org>
> Date: Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 12:09
> To: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [At-Large] Jack Ma New Co-Chair of Global Internet
> Governance Alliance #AliBaba #GIGA
>
> OK, I'm confused.
>
> We have the Netmundial Event, The Netmundul initiative (NMI) and now GIGA.
>
> The three movers  of NMI are ICANN, the WEF and CGI.br.
>
> GIGA is co-sponsored by ICANN, the Brazilian Internet Steering Committee
>> and the World Economic Forum to provide a platform for the discussion of
>> Internet governance solutions.
>
>
> As far as I understood, the "Brazilian Internet Steering Commitee" *is*
> CGI.br
>
> So what is the relationship between NMI and GIGA? Are they parallel orgs?
> Was there a rename that I missed?
>
> And Carlton said that
>
> the Council has formally adopted the Terms of Reference of the NMI that
>> led to the Sao Paulo event
>
>
> (In this context, NMI does *not* appear to refer to the calamotous
> "solution in search of a problem" NMI -- the one that ISOC and others have
> refused to join -- formed AFTER the Sao Paulo event and seeming to share
> few of its values. But rather, it seems to refer to the SP event's own
> outcomes. Or do I have that wrong?)
>
> On one hand, I read the news of Chinese participation -- its
> acknowledgement of the goals and values of Netmundial -- and share
> Carlton's optimism. On the other, I look around and see another new source
> of needless confusion and redundancies that make the whole situation even
> more impenetrable to non-insiders than before.
> 
>
>
> On 2 July 2015 at 10:30, Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I joined the event remotely and listened to Ja Ma's speech with keen
>> interest. Quite frankly, I was pleasantly surprised how direct he was.
>>
>> I cannot be pessimistic as my friend Parminder and would urge us not to
>> make the perfect the enemy of the good. For those who went to Sao Paulo and
>> followed the evolution of the NMI, the Council has formally adopted the
>> Terms of Reference of the NMI that led to the Sao Paulo event. The Council
>> has committed to do practical things to advance the outcomes from Sao
>> Paulo, including advancing the work and role of the IGF and furthering the
>> objectives of WSIS.
>>
>> Good enough.
>>
>> Now, Jack Ma (CEO of Alibaba, usually referred in metropolitan
>> publications as 'the Chinese e-commerce giant') could have opted to sign up
>> for the World Economic Forum (WEF)-led thing, the one that even as it
>> utilised Orwellian-derived language to announce itself, baldly refuted the
>> multistakeholder, equality-in-access approach to Internet governance.
>> Instead, he signed with the Brazilian-initiated initiative. As I listened
>> to Jack Ma, I had a sense that he truly understands connecting each of us
>> to all of us is in the collective best interest, Alibaba included. I think
>> he gets it that for most of us, the Internet is about development. I think
>> he gets it that exploiting the Internet for profit does not preclude other
>> dire uses. And he definitely understands that intrusions of one or other
>> kind could be inimical to all our interests.
>>
>> So, what do you do?  I will take the Council's word on its commitment.
>> And since they have also embraced a model that allow us to talk to them and
>> let them know if they go astray, we have a way to at least enjoin them to
>> account.
>>
>> It is as good as it gets.
>>
>> -Carlton
>>
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>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 7:26 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <
>> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>> Apologies for the crossposting but this I found interesting:
>>>
>>> http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-07/01/c_134373596.htm
>>>
>>> SAO PAULO, June 30 (Xinhua) -- Jack Ma, founder of China's ecommerce
>>> giant Alibaba, was elected co-chairman of the Global Internet Governance
>>> Alliance (GIGA) at the first general meeting of GIGA council held here
>>> Tuesday.
>>>
>>> "This election signifies trust in China's Internet, and how China
>>> governs its Internet," said Ma.
>>>
>>> The meeting was set to discuss key issues related to international
>>> cooperation on Internet governance while highlighting China's role.
>>>
>>> Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff had called for a just and equal
>>> global Internet environment and regarded China as the "key factor to the
>>> success of global Internet governance," said Fadi Chehade, president of the
>>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN).
>>>
>>> Rousseff had suggested he find Chinese partners for cooperation, Chehade
>>> said.
>>>
>>> To establish a multiple-stakeholder platform, Chehade said that
>>> dialogues among different partners should be improved, the platform should
>>> be transparent and just, and all stakeholders should be able to equally
>>> participate in global Internet governance.
>>>
>>> GIGA is co-sponsored by ICANN, the Brazilian Internet Steering Committee
>>> and the World Economic Forum to provide a platform for the discussion of
>>> Internet governance solutions.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
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