[At-Large] R: Weekly posting summary for at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org

Sun Jan 4 18:04:49 UTC 2015

On a couple of items below I do agree with JJS, namely the fact that the summary is not a metric of activity, there's no "qualitative" value, etc.
However, I will never endorse the banning of a post - or type of post - to this list unless it is proven to be severely harmful.
Even if this logging can raise eyebrows, it is for me not a sufficient reason to impose the author to stop, considering also that these data can be elaborated by anybody using the publicly available archives.
Unfortunately, these are generic messages to the list, not an additional service that subscribers can opt out. The only way not to receive these messages but leaving the ability for the sender to post to the list is an agreement on a specifically identifiable subject line (and incidentally I am under the impression that this is already the case) to allow filtering or deleting on the receiving end.
If this is not acceptable, the only other way I see is to engage the ALAC Chair's authority. For instance, a poll could be launched. But is this really so important to trigger such action?
Cheers,
Roberto

> -----Messaggio originale-----
> Da: at-large-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:at-large-
> bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] Per conto di Subrenat, Jean-Jacques
> Inviato: venerdì 2 gennaio 2015 23:16
> A: Carlton Samuels
> Cc: At-Large Worldwide
> Oggetto: Re: [At-Large] Weekly posting summary for at-large at atlarge-
> lists.icann.org
> 
> Dear Colleagues,
> 
> my request is to be unsubscribed ONLY from the "Weekly posting summary"
> established by T. Narten, not from other elements on the At-Large lists (this
> is in answer to Seun's remark). My request is based on the following
> considerations:
> 
> 1) This "summary" was considered by some in the ALAC as a metric of
> effective presence and work of its members (Carlton's remark). I have long
> questioned the validity of this approach, and still do. This measurement not
> have its equivalent, say on the ICANN Board, where the "360° Review" of
> Directors is carried out with other tools.
> 
> 2) This form of statistical data has no qualitative value, as it may record a peak
> of correspondence from one ALAC or At-Large member giving family news
> and being congratulated by everyone else, or any other topic, for that
> matter.
> 
> 3) Nominative tracking also raises the question of how such information may
> or may not be used for purposes it was or was not designed for, e.g.
> surveillance.
> 
> 4) A minor point, but non-US citizens may have noticed that the "summary" is
> provided by, and emanates from, an address in a US corporation. In itself this
> is not a cause for concern, but some questions need to be answered: was
> there a decision to ask/grant any particular individual/firm to carry out this
> statistical/nominative tracking (date, reference), was this submitted to
> regular review and approval, is there a separate decision to grant this as a
> permanent authorization?
> 
> 5) It is not desirable, nor fair, that members of the At-Large and/or ALAC lists
> cannot ask to be unsubscribed from one item (in this case the "Weekly
> posting summary") without being deleted from these lists for other items
> and debates.
> 
> 6) It goes without saying, but I wish to make clear here, that my lack of
> enthusiasm for this "Weekly posting summary" is in no way a judgment on
> the value of its author, whom I worked with as a member of the ICANN
> Board, and whose experience and opinion I value.
> 
> Jean-Jacques.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Mail original -----
> De: "Carlton Samuels" <carlton.samuels at gmail.com>
> À: "Thomas Narten" <narten at us.ibm.com>
> Cc: "Jean-Jacques Subrenat" <jjs at dyalog.net>, "At-Large Worldwide" <at-
> large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> Envoyé: Vendredi 2 Janvier 2015 22:13:40
> Objet: Re: [At-Large] Weekly posting summary for at-large at atlarge-
> lists.icann.org
> 
> 
> 
> Dear Colleagues:
> 
> 
> I beg to disagree these postings are not desirable and I will tell you why.
> 
> 
> The ALAC has developed performance/engagement/utility metrics that, for
> better or worse, include elements that are displayed by this report.
> 
> 
> Consider then this report an artful early warning device. I should think such a
> one is both good and necessary for ALAC members; shooting the messenger,
> or, 'disappearing' the message would hardly be curative.
> 
> 
> I'm of a mind that only when the ALAC metrics are disavowed, then and only
> then one could reasonably insist this notification is unnecessary.
> 
> 
> -Carlton
> 
> 
> -Carlton
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ==============================
> Carlton A Samuels
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> =============================
> 
> On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Thomas Narten < narten at us.ibm.com > wrote:
> 
> 
> > this is to request that I be unsubscribed from this "At-Large weekly
> > posting summary", which I find not useful.
> 
> Sorry, individual folk can't opt out of this message, as it's sent to the list.
> Everyone on the list gets it, as they do all postings.
> 
> If it's the collective sense of this list that these postings are no longer needed
> or desired, I will stop generating them.
> 
> Thomas
> 
> 
> 
> > Jean-Jacques.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Mail original -----
> > De: "Thomas Narten" < narten at us.ibm.com >
> > À: at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> > Envoyé: Vendredi 2 Janvier 2015 06:53:04
> > Objet: [At-Large] Weekly posting summary for
> > at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> >
> > Total of 5 messages in the last 7 days.
> >
> > script run at: Fri Jan 2 00:53:04 EST 2015
> >
> > Messages | Bytes | Who
> > --------+------+--------+----------+------------------------
> > 20.00% | 1 | 25.50% | 11120 | sylvia at internautabrasil.org 20.00% |
> > 1 | 19.61% | 8550 | admin at ttcsweb.org 20.00% | 1 | 18.97% | 8273 |
> > narten at us.ibm.com 20.00% | 1 | 17.98% | 7839 | louis.houle at
> > oricom.ca 20.00% | 1 | 17.93% | 7819 | b.schombe at gmail.com
> > --------+------+--------+----------+------------------------
> > 100.00% | 5 |100.00% | 43601 | Total
> >
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