[At-Large] [ALAC] Fwd: A million domains taken down by email checks

Christian de Larrinaga cdel at firsthand.net
Fri Jul 4 19:19:43 UTC 2014

John Levine wrote:
>> I have no idea what ALAC cares about.
> Um, someone using your address just said it was the handful
> registrants with bogus e-mail addresses.

>> John, your point is an aunt sally. The fact remains that abuse happens
>> with or without a domain name. Cyber bullying is not something
>> associated particularly with the ownership or control of a DNS record
>> for instance.
> You know, I deal daily with actual researchers and law enforcement who
> deal with actual crime and abuse, and they use WHOIS information,
> including the e-mail address all the time.  Cyber bullying is one
> issue they sometimes deal with, and they certainly contact the
> operators of the domains the bullies ues.

Really? You are out by a long way on this. Most "bad actors" are not
registrants themselves they are using or passing through services that
are resolved using a domain name or possibly several.

> Your argument appears to be that if a measure isn't 100% effective at
> stopping abuse, or if it has any side effects at all (keeping in mind
> that 99.6% of domains are not affected by this issue), we shouldn't
> bother. If that's not it, please clarify.

I am saying that a registrant of a domain name does not equate to
responsibility for content on the Internet. It might but it also very
likely does not. In fact if your statistic is correct that 99.9% of
people using the Internet do not themselves own or control a domain name
it would sort of prove my point.

> John Levine, john.levine at cauce.org
> CAUCE North America

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Christian de Larrinaga
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