[At-Large] Conflicts between End User vrs Global Public Interest

Baudouin SCHOMBE b.schombe at gmail.com
Sat Jan 25 10:30:54 UTC 2014

 Hello Sala. Hello everyone,
In fact what we are looking elucidate exactly? terminology or concept?
* When we talk about "community", we we place in what context?
* When we say "community of users" what we want to express?
* When we call the "general public", what we mean under?

We may question everything and even our understanding of the Internet ( "I"
uppercase or lowercase).



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2014/1/23 Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <
salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>

> Dear All,
> *Global Public Interest vrs End Users*
> I have changed the Subject of the thread to emphasize the apparent conflict
> that stems from global public interest versus end users. This has been
> challenging particularly for the At Large community as has been expressed
> by Evan and others where it comes to processes.  Olivier had mentioned that
> the lack of definition is of concern. Karl raised an important point about
> context shaping meaning.
> There have been on multiple occasions where this dialogue has taken place.
> I would recommend that a Study be done by  the ALAC work highlighting a
> list of instances within ICANN where as a community, the At Large feels
> that it has been marginalised. This can certainly be in the context of the
> gTLD Objection process or in the Auction processes but also other aspects
> of ICANN where we feel that global public interest has been undermined. It
> is in identifying all the potential conflicts and trying to understand the
> root of the problems that we can begin to discuss solutions.
> No doubt, we have people like Evan and others who have vast institutional
> memory and can be good resources to draw from.
> *Recommendation for At Large Leadership Team*
> It would also be useful for At Large Leadership Team to commission an In
> Depth Study, analysis of the issues. The discussions is also central to
> maintaining legitimacy so that the At Large and the ALAC are not just token
> participants but stewards and watchdogs of global public interest.
> Kind Regards,
> Sala
> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 8:42 AM, Karl Auerbach <karl at cavebear.com> wrote:
> > On 01/23/2014 09:17 AM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond wrote:
> >
> > > I am particularly concerned with the narrow definition of "community",
> > > "Internet community", "end user community" - or in fact as their lack
> of
> > > definition.
> >
> > Let me respond to that particular point rather than the previous focus
> > of this thread.
> >
> > There may well be not one community but rather multiple communities.
> > And people may move between these communities from instant-to-instant
> > depending on what they are doing at that instant.
> >
> > I have observed that over the last few years that there has been a
> > significant shift in the way that users perceive this thing we all call
> > "the internet" (with or without a capital 'I').
> >
> > For many of us who have been around for a while we see the internet as a
> > system that moves IP packets from computer interface with an IP address
> > to another computer interface with an IP address.  We are the
> packet-heads.
> >
> > But for many people who arrived more recently the perception of the net
> > is of a bag of applications.
> >
> > We packet heads tend to be very concerned about end-to-end principles
> > and neutrality of packet flows.
> >
> > The latter community may focus more on matters of openness, fairness,
> > portability, and reliability of those applications without much regard
> > to the underlying plumbing.  (And one might consider that the interests
> > of those who use applications are somewhat different than those who
> > create and deploy applications.)
> >
> > I would note that to the latter community, IP addresses and domain names
> > may be submerging to become hidden machinery and are being replaced by
> > URL/URI based names or application specific names [such as Facebook
> > logins.]  I believe that this shift in naming/addressing will eventually
> > significantly alter our internet governance needs.
> >
> > The interests of these groups are one of those Venn diagrams with
> > overlapping circles - there is an area of mutual concern but also large
> > areas where each group has its own concern.
> >
> > I am far from suggesting that these groups form different "stakeholders"
> > - that is because I abhor the concept of top-down pre-defined groups of
> > interest called "stakeholders".
> >
> > However, I do feel that we could gain a bit of clarity if we were begin
> > to recognize that the word "internet" has different meanings to
> > different people and that to best understand opinions we need to
> > comprehend the context from which those opinions arose.
> >
> > My sense is that we will find that as a result opinions that seem in
> > opposition, if the context is understood, might actually be opinions
> > that are in alignment, or at least not in conflict.
> >
> >         --karl--
> >
> > __
> >
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