[At-Large] Trip to the Caucasus

Vanda Scartezini vanda at uol.com.br
Mon Jun 17 20:12:36 UTC 2013

Very interesting information Roberto, and I do agree that makes little
sense this artificial division. I would like to hear Siranush, which I am
copying here, a very active member from Armenia in several ICANN
forums(fora in Latin),  to see her thoughts about your report.
Thank you anyway for this interesting report.

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On 23/05/13 15:37, "Roberto Gaetano" <roberto_gaetano at hotmail.com> wrote:

>Hi all.
>I took the chance of a non-ICANN-related trip to Caucasus to contact the
>internet people, and specifically the At-Large structures, in the region.
>I was not on any official ICANN mission, but believe that it is worth
>to write a short report of my contacts and personal considerations.
>I am addressing this to different mailing lists with separate messages, to
>avoid cross-posting.
>I had a very interesting meeting in Armenia, hosted by ISOC AM, with the
>Armenian ALSes.
>The main points that came out from the discussion were (to the best of my
>.         The fact that the development of the internet in Armenia is
>consistently more advanced than in some neighboring countries (for
>there are 3 ALSes) depends on a mix of elements, including the presence in
>Armenia of highly skilled ITC professionals as well as the vision that has
>identified since the early days the potential of the internet. This
>experience will be very difficult to replicate in other countries, at
>in the short term.
>.         Thanks to the early vision, Armenia has developed the
>"multi-stakeholder" concept also in the management of the internet at the
>national level. The ccTLD operator, the ISPs, the At-Large structures,
>commercial organizations, the government, are tightly collaborating, and
>there is also the initiative of a permanent IGF forum in Armenia. This has
>allowed to have very advanced positions in international fora, where all
>stakeholders are contributing, and we do not have the situation that can
>seen in other countries, where the government is imposing its view.
>.         Looking at the map of the world, and the location of the ALSes,
>appears clearly that there is a wide area, namely the former Soviet Union
>states in central Asia, where there is no ALAC presence. This is felt to
>tightly correlated with the fact that the position that these countries
>bring in the international debate are only depending on government
>In order to promote ICANN's multi-stakeholder approach, ALAC should make
>outreach effort to these countries with the objective of gaining members.
>The general opinion is that this will be a difficult objective to achieve,
>but nevertheless it is strategically important.
>.         The current location of Armenia in APRALO is creating serious
>problems. It should be noted that the Armenian ccTLD operator is a member
>CENTR (the European ccTLD operators organization), ISPs are getting their
>addresses from RIPE (the European Regional addressing organization), but
>Armenian ALSes are forced to be associated to APRALO. Considering the
>above, i.e. the Armenian multi-stakeholder model that brings together
>different interests to cooperate at the national level, we have the
>situation that national domain names and IP addresses depend from Europe,
>while At-Large structures depend from a different region. Moreover, there
>are at the At-Large level cooperation projects ongoing that are
>by the European Union, and the location of Armenia in the AP ICANN region
>does make little sense, if any. For instance, if EURALO develops itself as
>the partner of the European Union for such European projects, it would be
>extremely impractical to have participating ALSes being in a different
>region. Further considerations have been the location of Armenia in Europe
>in a number of different international organizations.
>.         Armenia, being part of the former Soviet Union, has kept a
>of contacts at the technical level with other operators that are part of
>Community of Independent States (CIS). One example is also the Regional
>Commonwealth in the field of communications (RCC -
>http://www.en.rcc.org.ru/index.php). This network is also important in the
>discussions related to internet governance and for the decisions in the
>.         One question was raised, about what can ALAC do for the users.
>This is a key issue, because it is hard to motivate individuals and
>organizations to join ALAC if the only thing that they get is the
>opportunity to participate in policy development. Budget should be
>for initiatives that are useful for the internet users, like training.
>To this, I would like to add some personal considerations on the
>of ICT, and specifically Internet, in Armenia.
>I have travelled extensively, in cities and in rural areas, and have been
>staying only once overnight in a place without internet connection, and
>once in a place that had internet connection but not WiFi. Please note
>I have never stayed in fancy hotels, but rather in hostels or guesthouses,
>always in inexpensive places. This gave me the feeling of the ubiquity of
>the internet in Armenia.
>Besides internet, I witnessed the diffusion of mobile communications. It
>seems to me that everybody has a mobile phone. I have seen not only bus
>drivers talking on their mobiles (a plague that I see very often in my
>country), but also shepherds in the countryside with mobile phones.
>Considering that the next frontier of the internet is mobile devices, this
>is promising.
>Unfortunately, I failed to ask confirmation at the meeting with ALSes, but
>my impression is that Armenia took advantage of the progress in technology
>in the years of their independence, and moved straight to new
>when telcos in Europe and US (for sure this was the situation in Italy 20
>years ago) were resisting change in order to protect and further exploit
>their investments in previous technologies.
>Another simple example of how the internet is affecting common behavior is
>the police. This is the only country where I have seen police cars
>displaying instead of the simple "Police" word in the local language the
>of the police web site: www.police.am. It might be the case in other
>countries as well, but I have noticed it here for the first time.
>Best regards,
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