[At-Large] They're out of IPv4 Addresses!

Carlton Samuels carlton.samuels at gmail.com
Mon Sep 17 01:27:11 UTC 2012


Interesting discussion, this.  Thank to Sala and Holly for the additional
sources.  Some of my intuit have been reinforced and some new insights
formulated.

For the record, I started by career at AT&T just around the time of Final
Modified Judgment; 1984. Thanks to their training programs, I received an
excellent grounding in the business. They also paid for my grad school...

- Carlton

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On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Holly Raiche <h.raiche at internode.on.net>wrote:

> Hi Tim
>
> The best place to go is Geoff's own website <http://www.potaroo.net/>
>  One of his articles does talk about the money shift from the carriers to
> content service providers.  For those who attended his (and my_ session in
> the APrIGF in Tokyo, this was exactly what he said. (He then spend a bit of
> time over a breakfast with me the next day, further explaining it.)  I"m
> sure he'd be happy to elaborate.
>
>
> Holly
> On 17/09/2012, at 9:04 AM, McTim wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, September 16, 2012, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote:
> >
> >> These are the transcripts (easy reading) of what Geoff Huston said at
> the
> >> APNIC 32 Opening Plenary in Bussan, South Korea. I was in the audience
> and
> >> enjoyed it, see:
> >>
> http://meetings.apnic.net/32/program/opening-plenary/transcript[#Transition
> >> from IPv4 to IPv6 #Google #NATs #Access ]
> >>
> >>
> > I listened to this in real time....it doesn't contain the theory that
> holly
> > described...neither do the links below.
> >
> > Rgds,
> >
> > McTim
> > m
> >
> > mcT
> >
> >
> >>
> >> These are links to some of Geoff's papers:
> >>
> >>
> >>   -  On the Content economy, his views published on his website in 2001,
> >>   see:  http://www.potaroo.net/ispcol/2001-06/2001-06-content.html
> >>   - On Carriage v Content, his views published on his website in July,
> >>   2012, see:
> http://www.potaroo.net/ispcol/2012-07/carriagevcontent.html
> >> .
> >>   He talks briefly about ITRs and ETNO proposal in relation to the ITRs
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Holly Raiche <
> h.raiche at internode.on.net<javascript:;>
> >>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi John
> >>>
> >>> I can't verify Geoff's technical explanation, but he did work for
> Telstra
> >>> as one of their star technical people and he is chief scientist with
> >> APNIC.
> >>> And I did use the term carrier  but, to be more precise, ISPs in this
> >>> country are also carriers - which may not be the case in other
> >> legislative
> >>> regimes.  As to privacy, the other point Geoff  makes is that what is
> >>> happening is contrary to the Interception legislation - or should be
> >>> considered so. The difficulty with privacy legislation (not just in
> >>> Australia) is the definition of 'personal information' which is the
> >>> lynchpin of whether or not privacy has been breached.  Does it include
> >>> phone numbers and IP addresses.  There are suggested amendments to the
> >>> privacy legislation here that would, in essence, include information -
> >> that
> >>> combined with other information, can identify a person (paraphrased)
> But
> >>> one of the privacy issues is how personal information - that which is
> >> being
> >>> protected - is defined.
> >>>
> >>> HOlly
> >>> On 17/09/2012, at 2:42 AM, John R. Levine wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>> As he explains, with NATing, the carriers gain information about what
> >>> IP addresses are going where - information they can flog to
> advertisers.
> >>>>
> >>>> This argument makes no sense.  A snoopy ISP could as easily collect
> >> this
> >>> information from non-NAT routers as from NAT boxes.
> >>>>
> >>>> In Australia, I would have thought that privacy laws would make
> selling
> >>> that kind of information illegal.  In the US they use noxious services
> >> like
> >>> phorm to collect and sell info, no NAT needed.
> >>>>
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