[At-Large] They're out of IPv4 Addresses!

[Holly Raiche]

Hi Tim

The best place to go is Geoff's own website <http://www.potaroo.net/>  One of his articles does talk about the money shift from the carriers to content service providers.  For those who attended his (and my_ session in the APrIGF in Tokyo, this was exactly what he said. (He then spend a bit of time over a breakfast with me the next day, further explaining it.)  I"m sure he'd be happy to elaborate.


Holly
On 17/09/2012, at 9:04 AM, McTim wrote:

> On Sunday, September 16, 2012, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote:
> 
>> These are the transcripts (easy reading) of what Geoff Huston said at the
>> APNIC 32 Opening Plenary in Bussan, South Korea. I was in the audience and
>> enjoyed it, see:
>> http://meetings.apnic.net/32/program/opening-plenary/transcript[#Transition
>> from IPv4 to IPv6 #Google #NATs #Access ]
>> 
>> 
> I listened to this in real time....it doesn't contain the theory that holly
> described...neither do the links below.
> 
> Rgds,
> 
> McTim
> m
> 
> mcT
> 
> 
>> 
>> These are links to some of Geoff's papers:
>> 
>> 
>>   -  On the Content economy, his views published on his website in 2001,
>>   see:  http://www.potaroo.net/ispcol/2001-06/2001-06-content.html
>>   - On Carriage v Content, his views published on his website in July,
>>   2012, see:  http://www.potaroo.net/ispcol/2012-07/carriagevcontent.html
>> .
>>   He talks briefly about ITRs and ETNO proposal in relation to the ITRs
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Holly Raiche <h.raiche at internode.on.net<javascript:;>
>>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi John
>>> 
>>> I can't verify Geoff's technical explanation, but he did work for Telstra
>>> as one of their star technical people and he is chief scientist with
>> APNIC.
>>> And I did use the term carrier  but, to be more precise, ISPs in this
>>> country are also carriers - which may not be the case in other
>> legislative
>>> regimes.  As to privacy, the other point Geoff  makes is that what is
>>> happening is contrary to the Interception legislation - or should be
>>> considered so. The difficulty with privacy legislation (not just in
>>> Australia) is the definition of 'personal information' which is the
>>> lynchpin of whether or not privacy has been breached.  Does it include
>>> phone numbers and IP addresses.  There are suggested amendments to the
>>> privacy legislation here that would, in essence, include information -
>> that
>>> combined with other information, can identify a person (paraphrased) But
>>> one of the privacy issues is how personal information - that which is
>> being
>>> protected - is defined.
>>> 
>>> HOlly
>>> On 17/09/2012, at 2:42 AM, John R. Levine wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> As he explains, with NATing, the carriers gain information about what
>>> IP addresses are going where - information they can flog to advertisers.
>>>> 
>>>> This argument makes no sense.  A snoopy ISP could as easily collect
>> this
>>> information from non-NAT routers as from NAT boxes.
>>>> 
>>>> In Australia, I would have thought that privacy laws would make selling
>>> that kind of information illegal.  In the US they use noxious services
>> like
>>> phorm to collect and sell info, no NAT needed.
>>>> 
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