[At-Large] They're out of IPv4 Addresses!

Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com
Sun Sep 16 23:16:10 UTC 2012


On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:04 AM, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sunday, September 16, 2012, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote:
>
> > These are the transcripts (easy reading) of what Geoff Huston said at the
> > APNIC 32 Opening Plenary in Bussan, South Korea. I was in the audience
> and
> > enjoyed it, see:
> >
> http://meetings.apnic.net/32/program/opening-plenary/transcript[#Transition
> > from IPv4 to IPv6 #Google #NATs #Access ]
> >
> >
> I listened to this in real time....it doesn't contain the theory that holly
> described...neither do the links below.
>
> I had sent these links before I read your email McTim . Holly would be the
best person to provide a reference or link, the other better option is to
invite Geoff to have a chat about this. I will send him an email offline
and ask whether he's published his views on it.

> Rgds,
>
> McTim
> m
>
> mcT
>
>
> >
> > These are links to some of Geoff's papers:
> >
> >
> >    -  On the Content economy, his views published on his website in 2001,
> >    see:  http://www.potaroo.net/ispcol/2001-06/2001-06-content.html
> >    - On Carriage v Content, his views published on his website in July,
> >    2012, see:
> http://www.potaroo.net/ispcol/2012-07/carriagevcontent.html
> > .
> >    He talks briefly about ITRs and ETNO proposal in relation to the ITRs
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Holly Raiche <h.raiche at internode.on.net
> <javascript:;>
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Hi John
> > >
> > > I can't verify Geoff's technical explanation, but he did work for
> Telstra
> > > as one of their star technical people and he is chief scientist with
> > APNIC.
> > > And I did use the term carrier  but, to be more precise, ISPs in this
> > > country are also carriers - which may not be the case in other
> > legislative
> > > regimes.  As to privacy, the other point Geoff  makes is that what is
> > > happening is contrary to the Interception legislation - or should be
> > > considered so. The difficulty with privacy legislation (not just in
> > > Australia) is the definition of 'personal information' which is the
> > > lynchpin of whether or not privacy has been breached.  Does it include
> > > phone numbers and IP addresses.  There are suggested amendments to the
> > > privacy legislation here that would, in essence, include information -
> > that
> > > combined with other information, can identify a person (paraphrased)
> But
> > > one of the privacy issues is how personal information - that which is
> > being
> > > protected - is defined.
> > >
> > > HOlly
> > > On 17/09/2012, at 2:42 AM, John R. Levine wrote:
> > >
> > > >> As he explains, with NATing, the carriers gain information about
> what
> > > IP addresses are going where - information they can flog to
> advertisers.
> > > >
> > > > This argument makes no sense.  A snoopy ISP could as easily collect
> > this
> > > information from non-NAT routers as from NAT boxes.
> > > >
> > > > In Australia, I would have thought that privacy laws would make
> selling
> > > that kind of information illegal.  In the US they use noxious services
> > like
> > > phorm to collect and sell info, no NAT needed.
> > > >
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