[At-Large] [ALAC-Internal] GNSO Council Motion on Cross-Community Working Groups

Avri Doria avri at acm.org
Thu Jan 19 15:56:05 UTC 2012


I mostly agree with this but do want to quibble, as is my want, with one of the points.

On 19 Jan 2012, at 10:40, Carlton Samuels wrote:

> First, thank you Bill for taking the time to bring this to the At-Large's
> attention.
> Second, I read the guidelines as an attempt to lay out 'aspirational'
> principles, some of which tend to be overbearing.
> Third, on principle, the ALAC must reject any framework espoused by this
> proposal that undermines our by-law mandated role.  In this context any
> notion of agreeing to rules that a) limit our ability to communicate up,
> down, sideways or backwards b) constrain or hobble our ability to explore,
> act or otherwise engage any party or constituency in furtherance of the
> public interest must be summarily rejected.
> Fourth, if the presumptive At-Large position varies widely from the GNSO
> then the utility of a CWG is severely limited so we should recognize such
> an eventuality and act accordingly.

I am not so sure about this.  Even if the two SOAC entities disagree, on some point or points, the exercise is still valuable as the points of disagreement can be discussed ad nauseum and documented in a final report.  Then each of the entities can go forth with the document doing as they see fit.

This is still better then them not knowing each other's POV.

> So on balance of the facts as I know them and while I'm all for
> collaborating, when it is clear this is the wrong way to go then let's just
> carry on and recognize there will be no marriage of convenience.

Not a marriage but perhaps a brief interlude.


> - Carlton
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> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 3:23 PM, William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> As NCUC liaison to At Large I thought I should bring the following to your
>> attention.
>> Some here may recall that there was quite a bit of controversy and debate
>> in the GNSO Council last year about the formation and operation of cross
>> community working groups.  This arose in particular with regard to the JAS
>> process, various aspects of which stimulated a range of concerns across the
>> three industry SGs.  Without reliving all the back and forth, these
>> included perceptions that the GNSO's role in policy development was being
>> usurped or at least nibbled at, concerns about the channels and procedures
>> through which JAS progress was reported out and the board responded, the
>> extent to which the chartering organizations should operate in synch, and
>> so on. In consequence, there has been a widespread desire among these SGs
>> to lay down clear rules of the road to regulate how CWGs function.   In
>> Council discussions NCUC members argued for maintaining some flexibility
>> and subsidiarity to avoid tying hands too much, and noted inter alia that
>> if we'd followed a strictly regula!
>> tory approach ALAC would not have been able to help move the JAS process
>> along when the GNSO was, well, moving slower.  It would be fair to say that
>> we were pretty much alone in these views.
>> In October, the Council launched a drafting team to propose guiding
>> principles for CWGs going forward that would respond to the various
>> concerns.  That team has now completed its work and a motion to approve its
>> Principles is on the agenda of our 19 January meeting.
>> https://community.icann.org/display/gnsocouncilmeetings/Motions+19+January+2012
>> People may wish to have a look at the Principles
>> http://gnso.icann.org/drafts/draft-principles-for-cwgs-23dec11-en.pdf,
>> which specify that all SO/ACs involved should adopt and follow a single
>> joint charter for CWGs, that CWGs outputs do not express community
>> consensus per se, and so on.
>> If there are any views that people would like to have noted in the Council
>> discussion and vote, please let me know asap.
>> Thanks,
>> Bill
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>> William J. Drake
>> International Fellow & Lecturer
>> Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ
>> University of Zurich, Switzerland
>> william.drake at uzh.ch
>> www.mediachange.ch/people/william-j-drake
>> www.williamdrake.org
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