[At-Large] US v John Doe 1 & Others [Defendants]

McTim dogwallah at gmail.com
Mon Nov 28 05:04:57 UTC 2011

On 11/28/11, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro
<salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote:
> At least you can read Dutch, I can't. This is why I think that the
> coordination mechanisms is interesting. Does the fact that the FBI has an
> MoU or Agreement with ISC or is authorised by the FBI give the requisite
> powers to the ISC?

IMO no, bu they can provide "remediation details".

>> The RIPE NCC signs contracts with LIRs and end-users (people who get
>> Provider Independent space).  "Cooperating with ISC" without a legal
>> order would have been a breach of that contract.
> Yes, I agree. It will be interesting to watch the developments. Especially
> in light of how the European Court of Justice views the relevant laws.

Which relevant laws?

>> In other words, ISC asking RIPE NCC to do something to someone else's
>> IP space would be the same as if you or I had asked them to do the
>> same.
>> The only difference here is that it is not ISC asking, they are only
> acting out the Judge's orders. This brings back the question, whether they
> have the authority?

I would say no, the only party that has any standing with the RIPE NCC
is the Dutch police IMO.


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