[At-Large] U.S. seizure of .ORG domain name

Thu Feb 3 21:08:43 UTC 2011

This is Unspeakable!!!
It is commonly knowledge that No one Nation or State should interfere with events beyond its boundaries - unfortunately there are no boundaries when it comes to the Internet. 
Internet-based businesses are lucrative yes! It is time a Government to change/review its Customs/Revenue Collection systems not to take actions that affect the rest of the Internet communities. 
The GAC should see into this to avoid similar attacks to such a neutral media.
Time for a Change is overdue on this.

> Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 08:44:01 +0100
> From: patrick at vande-walle.eu
> To: at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> Subject: Re: [At-Large] U.S. seizure of .ORG domain name
> 
> 
> 
> I support this, too. 
> 
> I am not discussing here if the site infringed
> on US laws. This is apparently the case. However, the decision to take
> down the domain has consequences well outside the territorial boundaries
> where US laws apply. It gets even worse when there is one court decision
> of a sovereign country which says that the site is legal. AFAIK, Spain
> is not a banana republic. I am convinced that due diligence and fairness
> where followed by Spanish courts.  
> 
> I find it grossly impolite, to say
> the least, to impose one's legal and moral values to the entire world.
> This is what needs to transpire from our complaint. 
> 
> Over here, when
> court decisions order to block web sites, local ISPs are told to either
> block DNS queries for the domain or null route the IP address. I am not
> saying this is ideal or even effective. But at least, the impact does
> not spread beyond the territorial limits of the laws. 
> 
> Patrick 
> 
> >> I
> would support this.
> >> 
> >> Btw, the USG has used similar tactics to take
> down domains that are used for
> >> online gaming centred on Antigua in
> the Caribbean . Online gaming is legal
> >> in Antigua but it matters not
> to US interests.
> >> 
> >> Antigua has sought relief at the WTO on areas of
> WTO jurisdiction and she
> >> has repeatedly prevailed. Still has not
> mattered to our Uncle Sam.
> >> 
> >> Carlton
> >> 
> >>
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> >> 
> >> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011
> at 8:58 AM, Adam Peake wrote:
> >> 
> >>> I propose the At Large/ALAC
> protest the U.S. government's seizure of
> >>> domain name
> Rojadirecta.org.
> >>> 
> >>> Rojadirecta is a popular sports streaming and
> P2P download site.
> >>> Rojadirecta is a legitimate Spanish business. Two
> Spanish courts have
> >>> ruled the site operates legally.
> >>> 
> >>> It
> seems the U.S. Government Homeland Security's Immigration and
> >>>
> Customs Enforcement (ICE) division used the TLD as the means of
> >>>
> seizure in an attempt to take down the site. If the action was
> >>>
> against the registrar then a registrant would at least have a choice
> >>>
> of jurisdiction. But this action on ORG, and the actions on .COM
> >>>
> names last November essentially means the U.S. government considers
> >>>
> COM, NET and ORG to be nothing more than ccTLDs subject to U.S. whim
> >>>
> (this isn't a legal action, there has been no court case, no due
> >>>
> process.)
> >>> 
> >>> Rojadirecta is now available under other TLDs
> >>>
> 
> >>> as well its original IP address
> >>> .
> >>> 
> >>> Expect there will be
> a lot written about this, this article's ok as a
> >>> starting point:
> >>>
> <
> >>>
> http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110201/10252412910/homeland-security-seizes-spanish-domain-name-that-had-already-been-declared-legal.shtml
> [4]
> >>> 
> >>>> 
> >>> 
> >>> I hope At Large will issue a statement
> protesting the use of the TLD
> >>> registry as a means of takedown. That
> it recommends when the NET, ORG
> >>> and COM contracts are renegotiated
> they should move to a jurisdiction
> >>> where such unilateral action by a
> government is not possible. That
> >>> the new applicant guidebook require
> applicants to only locate in
> >>> jurisdictions where such unilateral
> action by a government is not
> >>> possible.
> >>> 
> >>> Legitimate
> businesses should not be subject to the whim of a U.S. agency.
> >>> 
> >>>
> Adam
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