[At-Large] privacy, was Impressions from the Whois-Review

Franck Martin franck.martin at gmail.com
Mon Jan 31 21:12:19 UTC 2011


Why I agree the WHOIS needs to be accurate and may be non-obfuscated (I'm still undecided on this one, if there is a way to check emails sent to contacts are received and replied to), your arguments are the same as clamping on freedom to gain security and you will deserve neither.

If people are too stupid, so may be, let it be?

But what is dangerous, is that it creates an underground economy that creates a real organised crime that has implication on by-standers. 

My argument, is the Whois is a mess, it is a bad job, it reflects poorly on ICANN as the keeper of records. It needs to be fixed, once records are well kept we can decide who has access to it.


----- Original Message -----
From: "John R. Levine" <johnl at iecc.com>
To: "At-Large Worldwide" <at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
Sent: Tuesday, 1 February, 2011 9:37:28 AM
Subject: Re: [At-Large] privacy, was Impressions from the Whois-Review

> I have felt an ever increasing Law and Order posture in At-Large over 
> the last years.  Those arguing for Privacy are definitely in the 
> minority.

Well, OK.  Every day, Internet users get several billion spam messages. 
Most are filtered out, at substantial cost which is primarily borne by the 
users, but plenty are not.  They get phishes, trying to steal their 
personal info.  They get ads for fake drugs, which can kill or mail them 
(such as fake AIDS drugs) and again deceive people into giving up their 
personal info.

The phishes and fake drugs invariably collect the victims' info through 
web sites, and the WHOIS info about those web sites is an important tool 
to both formal law enforcement an informal investigations by ISPs and 
others.  The harder it is to get info from WHOIS, the easier life is for 
the crooks.

Does ICANN have any interest in the privacy of spam and phishing victims? 
The answer I'm hearing is no, because the rights of the handful of people 
who have paid ICANN to care, by registering a domain, are more important.

Let me know if I've missed anything.  For any arguments along the lines 
that nobody needs WHOIS to track down phishes and fake drugs, please 
explain why you need your vanity domain, and why your need is more 

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