[At-Large] Libya terminating unacceptable .ly domains

Sivasubramanian M isolatedn at gmail.com
Fri Oct 8 12:15:05 UTC 2010

Dear Patrick Vande Walle,

On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Patrick Vande Walle
<patrick at vande-walle.eu>wrote:

> Siva,
> I respectfully disagree.
> Many ccTLDs do much better than gTLDs on several aspects. WHOIS policy
> is one example.
> National Internet exchanges do a great job at saving international
> bandwidth by allowing local peering. This makes Internet access cheaper
> locally.
> IDNs are needed for those populations which do not wish to suffer the
> latin alphabet imperialism.

I agree.  I said the same thing about the good side of ccTLDs, National
Internet Exchanges and IDN TLDs in my response to Evan's message on this
thread earlier. So I am very much in agreement with you on all these points,
yet, I have concerns that ccTLDs, National Internet Exchanges and IDN TLDs
have MIGHT make it easier for some or many national governments to barricade
their national Internet space.  I said it might happen, Evan responded by
saying that it is already happening and provided an example.

> I am not aware of christian countries - if such a thing exists, most
> are secularized societies - banning sites based on expressed religious
> faith. can you share some examples ?

No, such a thing does not exist. I was trying to explain that the Internet
would become fragmented if politically, religiously or linguistically

> Censorship has been around for centuries in many societies. First, they
> burned books. Then, they jammed radio and TV signals.
> Now, they filter the Internet. Nothing new under the sun. How to solve
> that is another debate.


> However, I am afraid one cannot expect to "save
> the Internet" as such. Mentalities regarding censorship as a concept
> need to be changed.

We may not be able to preserve the Internet as a space totally free of any
form of oversight, but the core values can be saved to a large extent, if we
keep working.

Thank you Patrick.

> Yours,
> Patrick
> On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 12:18:46 +0530, Sivasubramanian M
> <isolatedn at gmail.com> wrote:
> > John,
> >
> > Will Internet be Internet if Muslim countries ban sites with porn
> content,
> > Hindu countries ban sites that have anything to do with beef or veal,
> Jewish
> > countries ban sites with pictures of fish without scales and  Christian
> > nations ban sites from every other religion ?
> >
> > Starts with domain names, next would be deep packet inspection aided
> > filtering and IP address blocking. Stars with porn, will progress to
> >  idealogical and political content and then the technologies would even
> be
> > adopted to be tools for 'economic sanctions'.
> >
> > The network of networks wouldn't be Internet if it becomes a network of
> > national networks.  ccTLDs, National Internet Exchanges and IDN TLDs are
> the
> > greatest threats to Internet.
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