[At-Large] ICANN Board Nomination

[Franck Martin]

Especially considering that these people were made to believe ITU was the one in(to be in) charge of these issues

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On 31/08/2010, at 17:47, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:

> 
> On Tuesday 31 August 2010 04:52 AM, Carlton Samuels wrote:
>> Karl:
>> I always find your posts thought-provoking and want to hone in on your
>> assertion that if allocated a role with merit and strength in ICANN, there
>> would be an overflow of participation.   Maybe you're right.
>> 
>> Evan outlined how dispiriting it is when those of us in At-Large - for
>> better or worse still a part of the deserving public - take ICANN at its
>> word, get involved and make meritorious suggestions after studying the
>> issues that are blithely ignored. Yes, we work.
>> 
>> I guess the fissure is a common understanding, if not perception. of what
>> "public" means.
>> 
>> You speak of the pre-2000 "public" with some nostalgia and implied it was a
>> time of great hubba-hubba in public participation.
>> 
>> Mind you, a lot of us who are now involved were probably not counted as part
>> of the deserving public then.
>> 
>> I daresay a lot less of us.  Especially those of us at the edge of empire.
>> 
>> Kind regards.
>> 
>> Carlton
>> 
> Hi Carlton,
> 
> Now that you mention issues of exclusion and inclusion, let me say, the 
> real edges of the 'empire' is still nowhere close to being covered/ 
> included, as a legitimate/ deserving 'public', for the public policies 
> that ICANN plus makes.
> 
> Yes, the (somewhat upper) middle classes in developing countries, (their 
> interests, and those representing their interests) may be slowing 
> creeping in across the edges, but not the marginalized sections, who are 
> still the large majority in developing countries.  Unfortunately, 
> whether we like it or not, these sections are simply not in a position 
> to engage directly  with and represent themselves through the various 
> online platforms that ICANN's participative model largely consists of. 
> They just have to be represented - however under-optimally - by 
> organized groups and organizations that purport to represent their 
> interests. ICANN is nowhere close to engaging with these groups/ 
> organizations, in any fruitful manner.
> 
> Empowered individuals who can successfully navigate the difficult online 
> space, with multiple technical and social exclusions, are still what 
> constitutes ICANN's 'public' wherefrom it seeks the basis of its 
> legitimacy. The real public however is a much more complex, diverse and 
> multilayered category, something which one wishes ICANN and those who 
> engage with it began to understand. That would be basic to obtaining the 
> degree of legitimacy that ICANN seeks, and finds often refused by what I 
> think is the majority of people.
> 
> Parminder
> 
> 
>> =============================
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Karl Auerbach<karl at cavebear.com>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On 08/30/2010 01:01 PM, Evan Leibovitch wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 30 August 2010 09:29, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond<ocl at gih.com>   wrote:
>>>> 
>>> 
>>>> - Outreach is ultimately a shared responsibility that requires ICANN's
>>>> active support.
>>>> 
>>> I very much disagree.
>>> 
>>> If ICANN allowed the public a role that had merit and strength then
>>> there would be an overflow of interest and participation - we saw that
>>> happen in year 2000.
>>> 
>>> And we see that happen for the industrial "stakeholder" inside ICANN
>>> that there is no shortage of participatory people and energy.  That's
>>> because those industrial interests have "a stake" whereas ICANN has made
>>> sure that natural people who use the net are over-categorized,
>>> over-grouped, and over-managed into impotency.
>>> 
>>> Put the promised 50%+ of ICANN's board seats up for public election from
>>> slates of candidates who need pass no insider nomination process and I
>>> guarantee you that the public participation in ICANN would go up by many
>>> orders of decimal magnitude.
>>> 
>>> ICANN's "reform" of year 2002 and 2003 was intentionally designed to
>>> debilitate the public in ICANN.  It has worked.
>>> 
>>>        --karl--
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