[APAC-Discuss] APRALO Application for new ALS and Individual Applications
Alan Greenberg
alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca
Sun Dec 3 06:45:01 UTC 2017
All good questions.
I can even add another. Is there any harm in a
person becoming an individual member who is a
member of an ALS, but is not active in that ALS's
activities with respect to being an ALS. That
situation could have applied to me - I was an
individual member, but was also historically a
member of an ISOC Chapter, but only because I had
ticked off a box on a web form, not because I was
active in it in any way. Would there have been
any harm in my continuing to be a "member" of that ALS?
Ultimately, these are issues that either all
RALOs must address, or perhaps we will come up
with a uniform cross-RALO criteria. An important
thing to keep in mind is that the overall target
is to get people active in ICANN processes.
Alan
At 03/12/2017 01:30 AM, Maureen Hilyard wrote:
>But should we get individual members to sign a
>piece of paper that says that they officially do not belong to an ALS?
>
>This discussion is important as APRALO seeks to
>confirm acceptable criteria for registration of
>our ALSes (and any individual members who belong
>to it and want to join in our discussions), as
>well as those who are individual members not affiliated to any organisation.
>
>I like the example of our the Abu Dhabi
>representative of our individual members - due
>to her own personal interest in the work of
>ICANN, Justine was already an active member of a
>couple of working groups before she became a
>formal individual member of APRALO. She was a
>known entity and we have welcomed her
>participation in our discussions as a regional
>participant in the same way as we accept the
>inputs of the individual members who
>represent the interests of their ALSes. In past
>discussions, APRALO raised the point that
>individual members should already be actively
>engaged before we register them. There has been
>poor commitment by some of the individual
>members we currently have on our list How do we deregister them?
>
>I can appreciate that sometimes people may not
>be able to participate in an organisation that
>meets face to face normally at a time and place
>that is not convenient for everyone... and this
>was the reason we encouraged individual members.
>But leaving an ALS to become an individual member does not make sense to me.
>
>M
>.
>
>On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 7:38 PM, Alan Greenberg
><<mailto:alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca> wrote:
>One has to put these things in perspective and
>to examine the effort involved vs the benefits and risks.
>
>Looking at an unrelated issue, ICANN directors
>are subject to strict conflict of interest rules
>because it is important that they not have a
>personal interest when making decisions on
>behalf of ICANN. But all we ask is that they
>sign a piece of paper affirming what their
>conflicts are (if any) and assuring that should
>one arise, they will act properly.
>
>In the case of individual members, one has to
>look at the risks of accepting people's word,
>the harm it would cause, and now much it would
>cost/difficulty to investigate further vs the benefits.
>
>Alan
>
>
>
>
>At 02/12/2017 07:10 PM, Maureen Hilyard wrote:
>
>>Sorry that was sent too early, accidentally
>>This is really opening up a can of
>>worms. have to take people's word on TRUST.
>>
>>It has already been intimated that we might
>>need to get the membership lists of all our
>>ALSes to check on whether people are
>>legitimately NOT members - I can just imagine
>>trying to keep track of the members of PICISOC or any ISOC In India.
>>
>>Becoming an individual member to be able to
>>contribute on your own behalf rather than a
>>group's view is legitimate, but how does a
>>single person compete against a chartered
>>organisation for regional funds to do outreach
>>so that they can fulfil the other ICANN expectations of ALses?
>>ØKeeping the community of individual Internet
>>users informed about the significant news from ICANN
>>ØPromoting outreach activities in the
>>community of individual Internet users
>>ØDistributing (through posting or otherwise)
>>an updated agenda, news about ICANN, and
>>information about items in the ICANN policy-development process
>>ØDeveloping and maintaining on-going
>>information and education programs, regarding ICANN and its work
>>ØMaking public, and analyzing, ICANN's
>>proposed policies and its decisions and their
>>(potential)regional impact and (potential)
>>effect on individuals in the region;
>>I started to make mention of the fact that we
>>could have to ask people who have disagreements
>>with their ALS managements and leave, that they
>>may have to bring along a letter saying that
>>they are no longer members. But what a hassle.
>>But it is one of the thngs that I would like to
>>discuss with an volunteers of a group of APRALO
>>members to discuss ALS criteria, expectations and metrics.
>>Anyone want to join, drop me a line, and I will
>>get staff to create a wiki space for us.
>>Maureen
>>
>>On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Maureen Hilyard
>><<mailto:maureen.hilyard at gmail.com> maureen.hilyard at gmail.com> wrote:
>>This is really opening up a can of
>>worms. have to take people's word on TRUST.
>>It has already been intimated that we might
>>need to get the membership lists of all our
>>ALSes to check on whether people are
>>legitimately NOT members - I can just imagine
>>trying to keep track of the members of PICISOC or any ISOC In India.
>>Becoming an individual member to be able to
>>contribute on your own behalf rather than a
>>group's view is legitimate, but how does a
>>single person compete against a chartered
>>organisation for regional funds to do outreach
>>so that thy can fulfil the other ICANN expectations in their bylaws of ALses?
>>ØKeeping the community of individual Internet
>>users informed about the significant news from ICANN
>>ØPromoting outreach activities in the
>>community of individual Internet users
>>ØDistributing (through posting or otherwise)
>>an updated agenda, news about ICANN, and
>>information about items in the ICANN policy-development process
>>ØDeveloping and maintaining on-going
>>information and education programs, regarding ICANN and its work
>>
>> but we also have to be mindful, that if
>> former ALS members leave an organisation, they
>> may require a formal letter indicating that
>> they are not longer a member as part of the
>> RALO application process. This will
>>On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 3:26 AM, Satish Babu
>><<mailto:sb at inapp.com>sb at inapp.com> wrote:
>>Thanks Rajnesh.
>>The current mechanism is a self-declaration by
>>the applicant. We have been finding that this
>>doesn't always work. As you have pointed out,
>>it is not always easy to keep track of the
>>affiliations of organizations that a person is
>>a member of. We will consider revising the wording or providing an example.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>satish
>>
>>On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 6:28 PM, Rajnesh Singh
>><<mailto:rajnesh.singh at gmail.com>rajnesh.singh at gmail.com > wrote:
>>So I wonder out loud what is the process to
>>ensure that an individual applicant is not already a member via an ALS?
>>This could get messy as one could belong to one
>>of many ALS̢۪ - like e I do for example.
>>Sometimes hard to track, be aware of.
>>
>>Raj
>>
>>On Mon, 27 Nov 2017 at 1:38 pm, Maureen Hilyard
>><<mailto:maureen.hilyard at gmail.com> maureen.hilyard at gmail.com> wrote:
>>Hi Afifa
>>If Buddha is already a member of ISOC Kolkata
>>then he cannot be an individual member? He should already be involved.
>>
>>M :)
>>
>>On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 6:58 AM, Afifa Abbas
>><<mailto:afifa.abbas118 at gmail.com>afifa.abbas118 at gmail.com > wrote:
>>Hi All,
>>I met Buddha in Abu Dhabi and he seems very
>>passionate. He reached out to me for an outreach.
>>I totally support their application.
>>Regards,
>>Afifa
>>On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 7:43 AM, Pavan Budhrani
>>* <<mailto:pavan at namesphere.asia>pavan at namesphere.asia> wrote:
>>Please check the answers below, Staff there are
>>some with a N/A, please help get that information
>>* Do they allow individual members?Yes
>> Institutional members? N/A
>>* What is size of their membership at this
>>time? What proportion of their membership are individuals?
>>(10) in Board of Trustees
>>(3) Audit Committee
>>(5) in Board of Directors
>>(35) other membersâ€
>>
>>* Can individual members assume leadership positions?
>>
>>N/A
>>Also please help follow up with Buddha Haldar, Staff :)
>>Thanks so much!
>>Pavan
>>
>>
>>On 11/21/17 9:01 PM, Satish Babu wrote:
>>
>>* Do they allow individual members? Institutional members?
>>* What is size of their membership at this
>>time? What proportion of their membership are individuals?
>>* Can individual members assume leadership positions?
>>
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