<div dir="ltr">In the Caribbean region many of us wear different hats as a result of limited volunteer resources. This sometimes puts pressure on effective participation especially with the implementation of metrics that can be challenging. We are the ICANN proletariat. We are not paid but the expectations of us are high. That can be discouraging especially to potential recruits for the cause. ICANN sometimes feels like rarified air with a small group of sharpies who understand the process. How you persuade the next million to participate will depend on how we treat issues such as these.<div><br></div><div>Lance Hinds </div><div>Vice Chair, LACRALO</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 1:12 PM Fatimata Seye Sylla via ALAC <<a href="mailto:alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org">alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Echoing Vanda and Glen about the Atlarge volunteer model and women involvement. Mainly in developing countries and specially in Africa, it is difficult for a professional woman to find extra time to dedicate to ICANN with the necessary focus, no matter how interested she can be. Full time job at work and at home and volunteer !!!<div><br></div><div>Let’s think about how to improve the ICANN volunteer model to be more inclusive. </div><div><br></div><div>Fatimata <br><br><div id="m_-8722865835514357986AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir="ltr"><br>On Apr 18, 2024, at 11:58 AM, Glenn McKnight via ALAC <<a href="mailto:alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank">alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Hi Vanda <div>I recall at the DNS Women meeting in KL that the you mentioned that few Young Women desired to become involved in DNS Women and ICANN as a whole. If you recall I did some research on the fellowship programme using the database created by Dev and myself and we found the majority of fellows are male. This is a serious problem given the fact an important entry point for ICANN new recruits can come from this program. After speaking to Egrys on this issue the issue was addressed in having gender parity. Alas, I don't think this has been achieved. The absence of real marketing outreach to Women in Engineering, IEEE etc to recruit women to apply we will end up with same problem. Again we will complain of the lack of participation and we fail to address the lack of proper marketing strategy. Recently I was on the ARIN fellowship selection committee and the quality of the candidates was superb and very few ' free trippers" perhaps we can learn from other organizations how to recruit</div><div><br></div><div>g<br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div>Glenn McKnight, MA </div><div>Virtual School of Internet Governance </div>Chief Information Officer<div><a href="http://www.virtualsig.org" target="_blank">www.virtualsig.org</a> </div><div><b>YOUR SOURCE FOR INTERNET GOVERNANCE EDUCATION </b></div><div><b>Mobile 437-237-4655</b></div><div><br></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 18 Apr 2024 at 10:07, Vanda Scartezini via ALAC <<a href="mailto:alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank">alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif">Dear all<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif">Thanks for these debates. I am quite interested in how to attract new members to At Large (ALAC) and especially young future leaders.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif">I believe, we, long-term members without business interests are continuing to attend ICANN because we like it, and we see we can add some, in our views, relevant value,
no matter if technical, managerial, or social. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif">However, looking back, more and more we are now just a few of those financially disinterested people, compared with the large ICANN group with a financial interest in being
part of ICANN - this financial interest can be any resource that pays your bills. Can be organizations with direct ICANN interest or can be government, for instance.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif">This is even more relevant for young new member starting or in the middle of their professional life.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif">Hence, we, with no financial interest I believe, are a group in extinction.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif">To have new members to actively participating in the At Large organization maybe it is time to start focusing on those areas where new members are employees of government
or companies with financial interest but also nterested also in the social side, or even a R&D organizations in order to allow new members to At Large to see advantages to their engagement. At Large is the only group that still have some real volunteers.
All other groups members have some financial interest allowing them to dedicate their time to work for ICANN.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif">ICANN needs to rethink its volunteer model.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif">New members that came with energy only will continue if they get any other financial support to dedicate time to At Large work.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif">I, member of those in extinction full volunteer, will continue to follow ICANN while I feel I can be useful, and I still recognize some personal value in my participation.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif">I do not expect NexGen to buy our model, and even only fewer fellows will do it without the support of its business interests.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif">I have no criticism of anyone with business interests, but we need to think about how the At Large equation will really survive in the next 5 or more years.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif">My two cents
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span lang="PT-BR" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(192,0,0)"><a href="mailto:Vanda@Scartezini.org" target="_blank">Vanda@Scartezini.org</a></span></i><i><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(192,0,0)"><u></u><u></u></span></i></p>
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<b>To: </b>Jonathan Zuck <<a href="mailto:JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org" target="_blank">JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Marita Moll <<a href="mailto:marita.moll@gmail.com" target="_blank">marita.moll@gmail.com</a>>, Melissa Allgood <<a href="mailto:melissa.allgood@icann.org" target="_blank">melissa.allgood@icann.org</a>>, ALAC Work <<a href="mailto:alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank">alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello Jonathan and everyone,<br>
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Thank you for reigniting this useful discussion. Exploring metrics and incentives seems particularly relevant as the landscape of "young recruits" evolves, placing the At-Large community at the forefront of these changes. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am certain that my co-authors (included in the CC) would also be eager to revisit the discussion we initiated following our community's experience during the pandemic, particularly concerning volunteer support and contribution metrics.
You can find our article on this topic here: <a href="https://circleid.com/posts/20220328-facing-the-future-of_icann_volunteer-recruitment" target="_blank">
https://circleid.com/posts/20220328-facing-the-future-of_icann_volunteer-recruitment</a> with references to specific metrics deployed elsewhere. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Additionally, Maureen initiated a dedicated communication with the Board on this issue around the same time, with the kind facilitation of Leon. I am certain we would all be glad to contribute to a meaningful discussion on enhancing support
for our volunteer-based community and enhancing its outputs.<br>
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Once again, thank you, Jonathan and team, for initiating this conversation.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">śr., 17 kwi 2024 o 16:04 Jonathan Zuck via ALAC <<a href="mailto:alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank">alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>> napisał(a):</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">Thank you again for your feedback on the At-Large travel policy. I want you to know that we have heard your
concerns regarding the proposed At-Large travel policy and we want to keep discussing it with you. The need for an objective, utilitarian and flexible travel policy still exits to ensure that those actively engaged in ICANN work are in the best position to
participate and we are actively planning for the future.</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">For ICANN80, we propose to revert to the allocation of 15 slots to the ALAC, 10 to the five RALOs and 3 for
ALAC Liaisons and one for the ALAC Chair. Given that 3 ALAC members are unable to travel to Kigali, we would like to offer them to AFRALO to allocate as they wish. These 3 slots are unused ALAC slots so they are not drawn from expected slots. </span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">For ICANN81, as this is the Annual General Meeting, we will also use the allocation which also supports the
travel for outgoing, incoming, and continuing ALAC and Regional Leaders, according to their regional rotations </span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">For the longer-term development of an At-Large travel policy, starting as early as May 2024, we suggest engaging
in regional listening sessions where everyone has the opportunity to share their views and explain any concerns in a structured manner. Should you agree, we’ve asked Melissa Allgood, a member of ICANN org specializing in conflict resolution, to lead these
discussions as a neutral facilitator. Melissa will not act as a representative of ICANN org, but rather will structure our dialogue to ensure that all participants are heard and their views considered. We will work with RALO leaders to include these listening
sessions at a time that best meets the needs of each region, perhaps during scheduled monthly calls. </span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">The development of a formal At-Large travel policy will take some time and we would like for all voices to
be heard and considered. Ideally, we would like to work jointly with you - - in eliminating subjective answers with agreed, objective metrics that meet well crafted expectations of volunteers in performing the role of the ALAC as tasked under the ICANN Bylaws.
Such a policy should be reflective of the values of the bottom-up multi-stakeholder model.</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">Let us move forward in an inclusive, constructive, transparent, and respectful manner within our community.</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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