[AFRI-Discuss] [AfrICANN-discuss] Call for topics: Joint AFRALO-AfrICANN meeting for ICANN67

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Barrack

You’re actually making a strong argument for NOT doing this.

Now if you were to switch “DNS abuse” for “computer security” or something else then maybe you’d have a case, but in so doing you’d put it even further outside ICANN’s remit.

Regards

Michele

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From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack at gmail.com>
Reply to: "africann at afrinic.net" <africann at afrinic.net>
Date: Wednesday 15 January 2020 at 13:49
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Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] [AFRI-Discuss] Call for topics: Joint AFRALO-AfrICANN meeting for ICANN67

Hi Michele,

Interesting analogy. In the Global North consumers are encouraged to do things themselves mostly and demand value for their money. In the global South consumers (end users) have no say, they are encouraged to be happy with what they get. We have propagated 3 R models in which the R is fickle and silent hence the perpetual need of 'expertise' to sort out issues that can be fixed by simple equiping the end user with some knowhow. Many Registrars and Resellers are encouraging the use of Website Builders meaning there will be more cases of end users building their own websites and related applications for use on the Internet, shouldn't they have some basic awareness on DNS Abuse?

Regards
On Wed, 15 Jan 2020, 2:58 pm Michele Neylon - Blacknight, <michele at blacknight.com<mailto:michele at blacknight.com>> wrote:
Why would an “end user” care? Why would anyone want to make it more complicated and scary to get online? Surely this is an issue for industry and not the “end user”?

Most of the DNS abuse issues at the moment are due to providers not looking after their own networks / devices or acting on abuse reports.

It’s not a coincidence that we end up having to block entire countries from our network on a regular basis

While the goal of Barrack’s proposal might be honourable I don’t think it’s particularly practical or realistic

To use an analogy.

You can train someone to check the oil in their car, which in the DNS space could be akin to making sure that software was kept up to date

But pushing DNS abuse knowledge would be like expecting me to be able to strip my car down

Regards

Michele

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From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack at gmail.com<mailto:otieno.barrack at gmail.com>>
Reply to: "africann at afrinic.net<mailto:africann at afrinic.net>" <africann at afrinic.net<mailto:africann at afrinic.net>>
Date: Friday 10 January 2020 at 14:21
To: "el at lisse.NA" <el at lisse.NA>
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Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] [AFRI-Discuss] Call for topics: Joint AFRALO-AfrICANN meeting for ICANN67

Good points Mark and El,

I think the end user has been missing in the DNS Security conversation yet they are actually the ones who speak with their pockets, if i may use a Kenyan Proverb. An enlightened end user is an empowered end user. As we bring the next billion users online cases of DNS abuse will definately increase. If governments feel that industry players have not control they will definately step in and thats what we are avoiding.

Regards

On Fri, 10 Jan 2020, 4:55 pm Dr Eberhard W Lisse, <el at lisse.na<mailto:el at lisse.na>> wrote:
Gabdibé,

drafting a resolution (beforehand), or even debating a resolution, is
going to achieve absolutely nothing.

Mark,

50% lookups is actually almost worth than zero :-)-).

        And how many of those hit infrastructure actually in South Africa?
        Does the figure include the public ones from Google and Cloudflare?

        My view is that this only works All-or-Nothing, because noncompliant
        commercial resolver operators have a commercial advantage over
        complaint ones.

Financial incentives may work as may financial or other sanctions.

        One could even make it part of the Accreditation that DNSSEC must be
        offered by the Registrars.

        But while the Registrars are usually the entities operating the DNS
        and as such have control over the end-user's DNS anyway, the chain
        of trust should go up to the end user and not just the Registrar.

        Talking to the banks has so far not been very effective, they are
        happy with HTTPS even though they forget to renew their certificate
        on a regular basis, never mind the expense.

I don't have the answer either.

If anyone has a technical "solution" or project going on, and is coming
to Cancun, please feel free to propose a presentation at TechDay on the
Monday.

greetings, el

On 10/01/2020 15:26, Mark Elkins wrote:
> I also like the sound of Barrack's proposal.  What exactly does "DNS
> Abuse" mean though?
>
> If it is to try and get all important Domains DNSSEC Signed and for
> all DNS Resolvers to become DNSSEC aware - that would be a winner in
> my book!
>
> Incidentally - about 50% of all DNS lookups in South Africa are DNSSEC
> aware.  That's actually the easy bit.  Just have the Internet
> Connection suppliers enable DNSSEC on their resolvers.
>
> Getting the bulk or at least the important Domains DNSSEC Signed will
> be a bit more challenging but is quite possible; e.g. any domain for a
> website which may involve a financial transaction or deal with
> personal information.
>
> On my Domain Registration and Hosting Platform, if I am running the
> Registrants DNS (Zone file), DNSSEC is simply an option the Registrant
> can switch on.  I could change that and simply enable it for everyone.
> However, if the Domain is then moved to a Registrar that does not
> support DNSSEC - there would be issues for the new Registrar.
>
> On 2020/01/10 14:20, Gabdibé GAB-HINGONNE wrote:
>> Dear All,
>> I support Barrack's proposal.
>> Building the capacity of African end users on the general question
>> related to the DNS is very important.
>> Kind regards
>> Gabdibé
>>
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