[AFRI-Discuss] ATLASS 3 IN CANADA-IMPENDIMENTS TO A SUCCESSFUL OUTING

Remmy Nweke remmyn at gmail.com
Tue Oct 1 23:14:11 UTC 2019


Thanks Maureen and all,
Good to read from you as we gradually gather yet another set of
documentations for re-application.
However, I stumbled on the time for processing visa online to be 73 days
for some of us, which means by December and I was wondering if its worth
the troubles.
Yes, ICANN will reimburse if visa is granted what happens if its not
granted will one still get his/her reimbursement and one has applied for
the first and second time? And that is where my original issue with the
so-called rejection romance actually is, because those being rejected like
other countries do, are offered option of appeal, NOT reapplication.

The scene Sarah shared were actually what most of us did and included in
the initial applications including bank statements, employment history,
letter of introduction from employer as well as expired passports with USA
visa over 10 years, etc, which leaves more questions on the modalities, I
hope its not the case of 1 visa against 20 rejection?

The way forward will be welcome.

Anyways, below is the message.
"Visitor visa (from outside Canada)

Nigeria

 73 days ?
<https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/application/check-processing-times.html#questionmark-tr>

You may need to give biometrics
<http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/visit/biometrics.asp> with your application.
This processing time doesn’t include:

   - the time it takes to send an application between a VAC and our office
   - the time you need to give your biometrics

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On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 5:09 PM Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Etienne
>
> More lobbying in the background is exactly what Leon, our Board member,
> has been doing. We have all highlighted the situation more as a serious
> issue - not only for At-Large, and ICANN, but for specific countries. What
> you did 7 years ago is still relevant. If people want things to happen for
> themselves, they have to be proactive and to make the effort, as you did.
> And it worked. Constituency Travel is encouraging people to reapply and if
> you have to pay additional fees, you can be reimbursed these as well as the
> original fees. But I realise that it is all so frustrating and time
> consuming. But we live in a world where people are treated differently for
> different reasons. And with governments, it depends on the issues of the
> day.
>
> Thank you for that clarification about your application.
>
> Maureen
>
> On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 2:34 PM Etienne Tshishimbi <news.tkeb at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Maureen my case took place, 7 years ago today. But I remind you if you
>> had time to read the Canadian immigration law and redo your file. However
>> ICANN must do a lobbying work in the background.
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>> Le lun. 30 sept. 2019 8:42 PM, Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
>> a écrit :
>>
>>> Thank you for your letter Etienne.
>>>
>>> I would also encourage others to re-apply and to give their explanations
>>> based on the reasons given by the Canadian government - just as you did.
>>>
>>> ICANN Org is working with Constituency Travel to facilitate support at
>>> high levels to make their own applications of support. They and we hope
>>> that it will help more people to get through. But they must reapply and
>>> respond to their reasons for the original rejection with family and
>>> employer details that will ensure their return to their home countries.
>>>
>>> Maureen
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 5:30 AM Etienne Tshishimbi <news.tkeb at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bonjour à tous,
>>>> Je suis confus avec vous pour le refus de visa au regard de vos
>>>> parcours de voyage (Pastor Peters Osawaru OMORAGBON et les autres).
>>>>
>>>> Je voudrai vous encourager à refaire la procédure si vous aviez le
>>>> temps.
>>>>
>>>> En 2012, j'ai eu un refus pour le CANADA et j'ai fait bien relu les
>>>> raisons qu'il m'avait donné pour le refus. Et j'ai bien relu les lois
>>>> canadiennes sur l'immigration et j'ai refait mon dossier et j'ai eu le visa
>>>> pour le CANADA. Et je n'avais pas encore eu de visa pour un autre pays de
>>>> l'Occident à cette époque là.
>>>>
>>>> Voici mon petit apport.
>>>>
>>>> Cordialement,
>>>>
>>>> Etienne
>>>>
>>>> Good morning all,
>>>> I am confused with you for the visa refusal with regard to your journey
>>>> (Pastor Peters Osawaru OMORAGBON and the others).
>>>>
>>>> I would like to encourage you to redo the procedure if you have time.
>>>>
>>>> In 2012, I had a refusal for CANADA and I did a good rereading of the
>>>> reasons he gave me for the refusal. And I read the Canadian immigration
>>>> laws and I redid my file and got the visa for CANADA. And I had not yet got
>>>> a visa for another country of the West at that time.
>>>>
>>>> Here is my little contribution.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Etienne
>>>>
>>>> Le lun. 30 sept. 2019 à 11:33, Maureen Hilyard <
>>>> maureen.hilyard at gmail.com> a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>> +1 Hadia
>>>>>
>>>>> We have a lot of people working on this for us, for which we are very
>>>>> grateful.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maureen
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 29 Sep 2019, 10:51 PM Hadia El Miniawi, <
>>>>> hadiaminiawi at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Peters and All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is a shame that volunteers, participants, fellows and ICANN
>>>>>> attendees need to go through all this to take a role in something they are
>>>>>> passionate about and that is a true contribution to the thriving and
>>>>>> existence of the Internet through the MSM. I don't know how any of us can
>>>>>> help in this regard, but I think ICANN needs to address the Canadian
>>>>>> officials in relation to what is happening with ICANN participants' visas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best of luck and wishes to all
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hadia Elminiawi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, September 27, 2019, 12:22:06 PM PDT, Maureen Hilyard <
>>>>>> maureen.hilyard at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi everyone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gisella, Heidi and I have made frequent attempts to help individuals,
>>>>>> but I did not realise the extent of these visa rejections. I do know that
>>>>>> they are not only rejecting applicants from Africa.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peters, Liz, Abdulkarim and others, could you please send me the
>>>>>> names of anyone you know who has received a rejection letter and the
>>>>>> reasons that they have been given for the rejection. I have already seen
>>>>>> some stating:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your
>>>>>> stay as a temporary resident, as stipulated in paragraph 179(b) of the
>>>>>> IRPR, *based on your family ties in Canada and in your country of
>>>>>> residence.*
>>>>>> • I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your
>>>>>> stay as a temporary resident, as stipulated in paragraph 179(b) of the
>>>>>> IRPR, *based on the purpose of your visit.  *
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It would be helpful to know these reasons. Please send the
>>>>>> information to me so that we can check what more ICANN could do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maureen
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 7:29 AM ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE <
>>>>>> oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>> It is a shame that this is happening and I think ICANN should find a
>>>>>> way to solve this problem. From Nigeria alone, I know of 7 funded
>>>>>> applicants who have applied and 6 of the 7 were rejected. All of these has
>>>>>> previous travel history and I do not understand why the applications are
>>>>>> being rejected.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 5:52 PM Liz Orembo <lizorembo at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is the height of exclusion. Why are we even allowing  policy
>>>>>> meetings of such global resources to take place where participants from the
>>>>>> global south cant attend? What is the purpose of the event code in the
>>>>>> invite letters?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope ICANN takes this up with the Canadian government.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 7:23 PM Peters Omoragbon <
>>>>>> petersomoragbon at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Colleagues and friends,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am constrained to bring the attention of everyone to the myriad of
>>>>>> road-blocks and frustrations currently confronting African delegates to
>>>>>> ATLAS 3, and I am afraid, about 80% may not make it to Montreal after all.
>>>>>> No thanks to the Canadian Embassy that, has not only refused their visas
>>>>>> applications but also giving very spurious and insulting excuses for such
>>>>>> wanton refusalS.
>>>>>> For example, delegates that have a track history of previous trips
>>>>>> abroad with valid USA, UK and even Japan visas are being told, they may not
>>>>>> leave Canada at the end of the conference!!!
>>>>>> That is the worst excuse I have heard all my life. If I could not
>>>>>> remain in the USA, or Japan, UK and Europe, what is so special about Canada
>>>>>> to keep me away from returning?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It must be recalled that we collectively put up and appeal to ICANN
>>>>>> to be aware of the notoriety of the Canadian Embassies in African, that
>>>>>> they will take our monies and refused to grant a genuine visa application.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is my view that ICANN Secretariat please intervenes because its
>>>>>> just one month away to Montreal. It will be such a shame if more than half
>>>>>> of the accredited delegates are absent after all the preparations and
>>>>>> efforts put into the planning and selections. And it should also be the
>>>>>> responsibility of the AFRALO leadership to lead on this struggle. The fact
>>>>>> that, they all have free rides to travel anywhere for ICANN events should
>>>>>> not becloud their responsibilities to us-members from AFRALO.
>>>>>> I hope ALAC leadership should provide the oversight function here.
>>>>>> Best
>>>>>> Yours truly
>>>>>> Thank you all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Pastor Peters Osawaru OMORAGBON*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *-Financial Secretary, Central Association of Nigerians in the United
>>>>>> Kingdom-CANUK*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *-Executive President/CEO-Nurses Across the Borders-An NGO in Special
>>>>>> Consultative Status with the Economic and Social Council of the United
>>>>>> Nations-ECOSOC*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *-Designated Contact Person-United Nations Framework Convention on
>>>>>> Climate Change-UNFCCC*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *-International Liaison Officer-Nigerian Nurses Charitable
>>>>>> Association-NNCA-UK*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *-Board Member-Conference of NGOS in Special Consultative Status with
>>>>>> the United Nations-CONGO*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *-Member Steering Committee Regional Committee for Africa-CONGO*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *-General Secretary, Civil Society Network of NGOs on Climate Change*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *-Fellow Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers-ICANN*
>>>>>> *-Fellow Open Society Institute-Budapest*
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