[AFRI-Discuss] [AF-ALS-ICANN59-PROG] Finalizing Individual Membership Recommendation

Bakary Kouyate bkouyate at gmail.com
Tue Jul 18 15:14:00 UTC 2017

​Very well said,
I agree with you​
Best regards

2017-07-18 15:00 GMT+00:00 Baudouin SCHOMBE <b.schombe at gmail.com>:

> Let's be adult people with a certain amount of maturity, more specifically
> when we are discussing online. It is true that we already know each other
> physically. Reason more a maximum of tolerance in terms and terms that we
> use.
> We are not terrorist activists but we are supposed to represent a good
> bang in the user community.
> We are not in tow with anyone and still less influenced by inflammatory
> remarks. We must respect ourselves and this is a sign of basic education.
> We have been in jo'burg and the question of individual members has not
> been questioned.
> We have specific points that have necessitated a discussion in the working
> group.
> Freedom of expression is guaranteed but freedom is limited to a certain
> limit.
> Pastor Peters may have his reasons but it is necessary to raise the tone
> to a level as degrading as it can be. We are in a dynamic that responds to
> the logic of a systemic system where all the stakeholders have to find
> common ground.
> I urge more lucidity and understanding. When the majority votes, the
> minority has the right to express itself while accepting the logic of the
> way of the majority.
> *ISOC Member*
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> 2017-07-17 2:24 GMT+01:00 Peters Omoragbon <petersomoragbon at gmail.com>:
>> Information Mauritius.
>> The decision of the GA presided over by Aziz and supported by both Tijani
>> and Fatimata was for the ENTIRE recommendations to be revisted by the ROP
>> Workgroup and then brought to the house for votes.  Even when Tijani tried
>> to push in the individual membership as having been concluded it was
>> rejected by the house. They promised to work with the Icann staff for
>> extension.  This Tijani told the GA in the morning of Thursday that it was
>> over. But in the afternoon he tried to push for the individual membership
>> to be adopted.  We opposed it. In fact Baduoine echoed the position of the
>> entire house.
>> That was the correct account.  But the question now is why is Aziz
>> pushing for that now and using ALAC as a defence.
>> We will vote on all items but we must respect our rules and procedures
>> and stop this band wagon support of every and anything pushed forward by an
>> Aziz; Tijani; Bashir or Fatimata. Let us be objective for once and put
>> AFRALO first before self.
>> The GA resolution cannot be modified or changed except by another GA but
>> the resolutions would have to be respected before any change.
>> Thanks
>> Peters Omoragbon
>> On 17 Jul 2017 01:38, "Kris Seeburn" <seeburn.k at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> chair
>>> No objection from isoc mauritius on that matter as I think we had a
>>> consensus on that matter and the roles and powers were hereto stated.
>>> So from us no objection. We are in support. However if I am not wrong it
>>> is the second motion about votes that was not seen through.
>>> Kris
>>> On 17 Jul 2017, at 00:37, Peters Omoragbon <petersomoragbon at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> Dear Mr. Aziz
>>> Thank you for your information and once again I apologise for my
>>> unavoidable absence during the last call.
>>> On the issue in reference I oppose to any vote to be taken via
>>> electronic means save for at a General Assembly  on the following grounds
>>> 1. Please provide the transcript or link to the transcript of the ALAC
>>> Meeting where the decision passed to you by the ALAC Chair was tsken.
>>> 2. Ralos from icann set rules are to set their own guidelines which does
>>> not conflict with icann rules of procedure for effective coordination of
>>> their (RALOS) activities. If one is to decipher your information it
>>> presupposes that ALAC is giving Ralos an ultimatum to take a decision on
>>> issue(s) that is yet to receive consensus of the GA
>>> 3. No decision was taken on any item at the GA once the GA resolved that
>>> ALL items be referred back to the ROP WORKGROUP and represented to the GA.
>>> So even though you are the chair of AFRALO you cannot over rulr the highest
>>> decision making body of AFRALO -the GA.
>>> 4. ROP WORKGROUP meeting is yet to be called and that is what should be
>>> done asap.
>>> 5. Of what emergent benefit is individual membership that it should
>>> override other pressing issues confronting AFRALO to warrant this present
>>> pressure?
>>> Your call for a vote is procedurally defective and undemocratic.  It is
>>> an attempt to rush Afralo to make decision through the back door for the
>>> benefit of vested interests and individuals.
>>> We oppose this motion.
>>> Thank you.
>>> Pastor Peters Omoragbon
>>> On 16 Jul 2017 21:07, "Aziz Hilali via AFRI-Discuss" <
>>> afri-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
>>>> <English>
>>>> Dear Members,
>>>> As per the information shared during our monthly call, It is been
>>>> brought to our attention by the ALAC Chair that as per the first ALAC
>>>> review requirements and the current At-Large Review (on-going)
>>>> recommendations, the RALOs are tasked with ensuring individual membership.
>>>> Therefore we need to get this particular item completed with.
>>>> As you may recall during the General Assembly in Johannesburg, this
>>>> particular recommendation of the working group gained traction but we could
>>>> not formerly record it due to other recommendations and time constraints.
>>>> In view of this, I suggest we separate this recommendation on individual
>>>> membership which already gained traction and pass that now to comply with
>>>> At-Large reviews requirements.
>>>> For reference, below is the link to the latest version of the
>>>> "Individual Membership » recommendation distributed in Johannesburg:
>>>> https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Member
>>>> ship+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
>>>> Item 7 of the recommendation currently reads as follows:
>>>> The individual membership issue will be reviewed in 2019 to reconsider
>>>> their rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of the 2018
>>>> experience.
>>>> I propose to modify it in this way:
>>>> "The individual membership issue will be reviewed by or before 2 years
>>>> after implementation to reconsider the rights and duties of unaffiliated
>>>> members in light of experience gained during initial trial"
>>>> I hereby, as AFRALO Chair, call for any objection to approving the
>>>> conditions under which individual membership will be implemented as
>>>> presented in the above recommendation.
>>>> Kindly provide your response within 72hrs
>>>> Best regards
>>>> Aziz HILALI
>>>> AFRALO Chair
>>>> ---------------------------
>>>> <French>
>>>> Chers membres,
>>>> D'après les informations partagées lors de notre téléconférence
>>>> mensuelle, le président de l’ALAC a attiré notre attention sur le fait que
>>>> les RALO sont appelés à accepter les adhésions individuelles, et ce suivant
>>>> les exigences de la première revue de l’ALAC et les recommandations de la
>>>> revue actuelle d’At-Large, Par conséquent, nous devons finir ce point
>>>> particulier sans plus tarder.
>>>> Comme vous le savez, lors de l’assemblée Générale à Johannesburg, cette
>>>> recommandation du groupe de travail a été approuvée, mais nous n’avions pas
>>>> pu l’officialiser à cause du fait que toutes les recommandations étaient
>>>> dans un même document et que le temps ne nous a pas permis de les finir
>>>> toutes. Pour cela, je suggère que nous séparons cette recommandation sur
>>>> l’adhésion individuelle pour se conformer avec les exigence des revues
>>>> d’At-Large.
>>>> Pour référence, voici le lien de la toute dernière version distribuée à
>>>> Johannesburg de la recommandation relative à l’adhésion individuelle:
>>>> https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Member
>>>> ship+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
>>>> Le point 7 de la recommandation dit:
>>>> La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera
>>>> réexaminée en 2019 au vue de l’expérience de 2018.
>>>> Je propose de le modifier pour devenir:
>>>> «La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera
>>>> réexaminée 2 ans après la mise en oeuvre (ou avant) au vue de l’expérience
>>>> de la période d’essai».
>>>> En ma qualité de Président d’AFRALO, je demande s’il y a des objections
>>>> pour l’approbation des conditions sous lesquelles l’adhésion individuelle
>>>> sera appliquée comme présenté dans la recommandation mentionnée.
>>>> Prière répondre dans les 72 heures.
>>>> Cordialement
>>>> Aziz Hilali
>>>> AFRALO Chair
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