[AFRI-Discuss] [AF-ALS-ICANN59-PROG] Finalizing Individual Membership Recommendation

Jean Philemon Kissangou kissangou at gmail.com
Tue Jul 18 13:42:28 UTC 2017


hello all

the CACSUP seconds the idea of postponing to 2 years the iscussion
around the question of Afrolo's individual membership.

Best regards

Philemon

2017-07-18 13:45 UTC+01:00, peters omoragbon <petersomoragbon at gmail.com>:
> Thank you Alan
> Your explanations have thrown more light to enrich the debates.
> Well appreciated.Best
>
> On Monday, July 17, 2017, 5:18:45 PM GMT+1, Alan Greenberg
> <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca> wrote:
>
> Dear Pastor Peters,
>
> You addressed your questions to Aziz, but a few of them really are in
> mydomain and I will attempt to reply.
>
> The message I sent Aziz was a reminder and not the result of a recentALAC
> action. In 2008/9, we had the first Independent Review of At-Large.This
> process was a long and complicated one that involved extensiveconsultation
> all all levels of the community. One of the recommendationswas that all
> RALOs investigate how (note "how", not"if") to incorporate individual
> unaffiliated members into theirorganization. That set of recommendations was
> approved by the ICANN Boardon 26 June 2009 (Resolution 2009-06-26-30).
>
> At that time, NARALO already had individual members, but it was the onlyRALO
> that did. The "Recommendation", once approved by theBoard, was no longer an
> option (and notably, no RALO objected to it!)EURALO and eventually APRALO
> developed procedures, each in their own way,to accommodate users
> unaffiliated with ALSes. AFRALO and LACRALO have notdone so to date.
>
> The ongoing review of At-Large has come out with an even
> strongerrecommendation that individual users are essential, and that it MUST
> notbe required that a person interested in joining At-Large either form
> orfind an ALS. Although At-Large is generally not agreeing with the
> detailsof this recommendation and particularly the implication that ALSes
> beeffectively abolished, all of our responses, including those of the
> RALOswhich all RALO members had a opportunity to contribute to, agreed that
> wewould have individual unaffiliated members in all regions.
> This"compromise" has the advantage of allowing RALOs to set thespecific
> rules (within a reasonable envelope) of such individualmembership.
>
> To address your number 2, the ALAC does not have direct jurisdiction
> overRALOs, but RALOS are subject to certain rules made by the ALAC
> (anddeveloped with regional input) where the ICANN Bylaws and ALAC Rules
> ofProcedure give the ALAC such rights. Each RALO selects ALAC Members andby
> doing so, the region gives those representatives the right to act ontheir
> behalf.
>
> Regarding your question 5 on the benefits of individual members, theICANN
> Bylaws identifies At-Large as the home of all individual Internetusers. As
> originally envisioned, there would be ALSes which would allow(and I quote
> the Bylaws) "every individual Internet user who is acitizen of a country
> within the RALO's Geographic Region to participatein at least one of the
> RALO's At-Large Structures". Clearly this isnot the case now, and it is
> unrealistic to believe that this is possible.Many ALSes have particular
> orientations or interests (such as yours) andcannot be expected to
> accommodate everyone. And two sets of externalreviewers have recognized that
> requiring someone to set up a new ALS justto be able to participate in a
> RALO is not reasonable.
>
> At-Large had FAR TOO FEW PEOPLE who are really active in the policy workfor
> which ICANN exists. At-Large is not here to do outreach or organizeand
> participate in RALOs. These are necessary activities to allow us tothrive,
> but the REAL reason we are here is to work with other parts ofICANN
> representing user interests. Anything we can do to remove barriersto
> allowing more participation is crucial to our existence.
>
> Alan
>
> At 16/07/2017 04:37 PM, Peters Omoragbon wrote:
>
>
> Dear Mr. Aziz
>
> Thank you for your information and once again I apologise for myunavoidable
> absence during the last call.
>
> On the issue in reference I oppose to any vote to be taken via
> electronicmeans save for at a General Assembly  on the following grounds
> 1. Please provide the transcript or link to the transcript of the
> ALACMeeting where the decision passed to you by the ALAC Chair wastsken.
> 2. Ralos from icann set rules are to set their own guidelines which doesnot
> conflict with icann rules of procedure for effective coordination oftheir
> (RALOS) activities. If one is to decipher your information itpresupposes
> that ALAC is giving Ralos an ultimatum to take a decision onissue(s) that is
> yet to receive consensus of the GA
> 3. No decision was taken on any item at the GA once the GA resolved thatALL
> items be referred back to the ROP WORKGROUP and represented to theGA. So
> even though you are the chair of AFRALO you cannot over rulr thehighest
> decision making body of AFRALO -the GA.
> 4. ROP WORKGROUP meeting is yet to be called and that is what should bedone
> asap.
> 5. Of what emergent benefit is individual membership that it shouldoverride
> other pressing issues confronting AFRALO to warrant this presentpressure?
> Your call for a vote is procedurally defective and undemocratic.  Itis an
> attempt to rush Afralo to make decision through the back door forthe benefit
> of vested interests and individuals.
>
> We oppose this motion.
>
> Thank you.
> Pastor Peters Omoragbon
>
>
>
> On 16 Jul 2017 21:07, "Aziz Hilali via
> AFRI-Discuss"<afri-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
>
>       - <English>
>
>
>       - Dear Members,
>
>
>       - As per the information shared during our monthly call, It is
> beenbrought to our attention by the ALAC Chair that as per the first
> ALACreview requirements and the current At-Large Review
> (on-going)recommendations, the RALOs are tasked with ensuring
> individualmembership. Therefore we need to get this particular item
> completedwith.
>
>
>       - As you may recall during the General Assembly in Johannesburg,
> thisparticular recommendation of the working group gained traction but
> wecould not formerly record it due to other recommendations and
> timeconstraints. In view of this, I suggest we separate this
> recommendationon individual membership which already gained traction and
> pass that nowto comply with At-Large reviews requirements.
>
>
>       - For reference, below is the link to the latest version of
> the"Individual Membership » recommendation distributed inJohannesburg:
>
>       -
> https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Membership+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
>
>
>
>       - Item 7 of the recommendation currently reads as follows:
>
>       - The individual membership issue will bereviewed in 2019 to
> reconsider their rights and duties of unaffiliatedmembers in light of the
> 2018 experience.
>
>       - I propose to modify it in this way:
>
>       - "The individual membership issue will be reviewed by or before
> 2years after implementation to reconsider the rights and duties
> ofunaffiliated members in light of experience gained during initialtrial"
>
>
>
>       - I hereby, as AFRALO Chair, call for any objection to approving
> theconditions under which individual membership will be implemented
> aspresented in the above recommendation.
>
>
>       - Kindly provide your response within 72hrs
>
>
>       - Best regards
>
>       - Aziz HILALI
>
>       - AFRALO Chair
>
>       - ---------------------------
>
>
>       - <French>
>
>
>       - Chers membres,
>
>
>       - D'après les informations partagées lors de notre
> téléconférencemensuelle, le président de l’ALAC a attiré notre
> attention sur lefait que les RALO sont appelés à accepter les
> adhésionsindividuelles, et ce suivant les exigences de la première revue
> del’ALAC et les recommandations de la revue actuelle d’At-Large,
> Parconséquent, nous devons finir ce point particulier sans plustarder.
>
>
>       - Comme vous le savez, lors de l’assemblée Générale
> àJohannesburg, cette recommandation du groupe de travail a étéapprouvée,
> mais nous n’avions pas pu l’officialiser à cause dufait que toutes les
> recommandations étaient dans un même document etque le temps ne nous a pas
> permis de les finir toutes. Pour cela, jesuggère que nous séparons cette
> recommandation sur l’adhésionindividuelle pour se conformer avec les
> exigence des revuesd’At-Large.
>
>
>       - Pour référence, voici le lien de la toute dernière
> versiondistribuée à Johannesburg de la recommandation relative
> àl’adhésion individuelle:
>
>       -
> https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Membership+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
>
>
>
>       - Le point 7 de la recommandation dit:
>
>       - La question des droits et devoirs desmembres individuels sera
> réexaminée en 2019 au vue de l’expériencede 2018.
>
>       - Je propose de le modifier pour devenir:
>
>       - «La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels
> seraréexaminée 2 ans après la mise en oeuvre (ou avant) au vue
> del’expérience de la période d’essai».
>
>
>       - En ma qualité de Président d’AFRALO, je demande s’il y a
> desobjections pour l’approbation des conditions sous
> lesquellesl’adhésion individuelle sera appliquée comme présenté dans
> larecommandation mentionnée.
>
>
>       - Prière répondre dans les 72 heures.
>
>
>       - Cordialement
>
>       - Aziz Hilali
>
>       - AFRALO Chair
>
>
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