[AFRI-Discuss] MOTION FOR AMENDMENTS TO RULES OF PROCEDURE IN AFRALO

Wed Jul 5 08:48:58 UTC 2017

ENGLISH

That is why I was asking that the problem be made clear so that we can
understand where the problem lies.

Thank you Pastor Peters for being clear about having located the issue of
your concerns. Thank you also for your consideration of us.

If that should be the problem as presented, I am afraid that this level of
debate becomes lighter and takes on more subjective aspects.

I said so well that it is not the motion that is embarrassing, but the
situation as described in the motion is increasingly embarrassing.

Thank you for puncturing the abscess. This allows us to narrow the debate
and to exchange on these facts which risk poisoning the climate of
conviviality that has always reigned within our great family AFRALO.

But let us not forget that moral character and dignity are values that are
part of a personality. The appearance is often misleading.

FRANCAIS

Voilà pourquoi je demandais que le problème soit posé clairement pour nous
permettre de comprendre où se trouve le noeud du problème.

Merci Pasteur Peters d'avoir été clair pour avoir situé l'enjeu de tes
préoccupations. Merci aussi des considérations que vous couvez à notre
égard.

Si tel doit être le problème tel que présenté, je crains que ce niveau de
débat devient plus léger et prend des allures subjectives.

Je l'avais si bien dit que ce n'est pas la motion qui est embarrassante
mais la situation telle que décrite dans lamotion est de plus en plus
embarrassante.

Merci d'avoir crevé l'abcès. Cela nous permet de circonscrire le débat et
d'echanger sur ces faits qui risquent d'empoisonner  le climat de
convivialité qui a toujours règné au sein de notre grande famille AFRALO.

Mais n'oublions pas que le caractère moral et la dignité sont des valeurs
qui font partie d'une personnalité. L'apparence étant souvent trompeuse.

2017-07-04 18:10 GMT+01:00 peters omoragbon <petersomoragbon2 at yahoo.co.uk>:

> Dear All
>
> I may have problems writing in French But I am very sure even my
> Franchophone brothers and sisters could easily do a Google translation of
> my motion and understand both content and context.
>
> Having said that I am bemused by the pretence and a presupossed query of
> what the problem is.
>
> There is no problem. What I have just done is draw attention to a
> progressive need for AFRALO to move forward and stop dancing around in
> circles.
>
> I took the pain to do an historical review of Afralo activities,
> leadership and representation which in all intent and purposes is unhealthy
> where a continent of more than 50 countries is governed and represented by
> sane set of people in the past 10years.
>
> I am no sycophant nor a boot licker.  My religion forbid that. I am not
> the type who saw the king naked and yet told him he had the most beautiful
> dress on!
>
> Some of us are pretenders and just because of the influence commanded by
> certain people with Afralo are ready to pretend and look the other way and
> end up complaining and grumbling behind.  That is not my style.
>
> The points I raised have generated positive interest in other ralos apart
> from AFRALO.
>
> In any case the motion is clear for any to read and understand.
>
> We will debate it in the WG and other groups within ICANN.
>
> Change is dynamic and it must be embraced by all no matter how
> unpalatable.
>
> God bless you all.
>
> Pastor Peters Omoragbon
> Permanent U.N. Rep
> UNFCCC Designated Contact Person
>
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> On Tue, 4 Jul 2017 at 17:36, BAUDOUIN SCHOMBE
> <baudouin.schombe at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you very much for this beautiful dynamic. However, I propose that
> the problem should be clearly defined and contextualized so that the
> discussions are more coherent.
>
> 2017-07-04 17:27 GMT+01:00 Sarah Kiden <skiden at gmail.com>:
>
> Dear Abiola,
>
> Thank you for your comments. I think it beats the purpose to say there is
> a problem and not point it out so that it is sorted once and for all.
> Please help us identify the problem so that we can find solutions together.
> I am now getting confused.
>
> That aside, I have always known AFRALO to be a family where problems get
> solutions, but most importantly people help each other. We need to continue
> in this same spirit.
>
> I agree with Barrack; we need to take this to the Rules of Procedure
> working group, which you are all invited to join.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Sarah
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 18:53 TYokunbo Abiola via AFRI-Discuss <afri-discuss at atlarge-lists.
> icann.org <afri-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org>> wrote:
>
> I don't think Pastor Peters' motion is embarrassing. I think it's a
> well-thought out presentation. The truth is, we need to discuss the issues
> contained in it, perhaps we might know why it was drafted in the first
> place, which could prove valuable going forwards.
>
> AFRALO is a united body, as evidenced by the solidarity shown in
> Johannesburg. Perhaps we could even be more united, more democratic, more
> transparent, more discerning in the nearest future. The motion presupposes
> we have some problems. Why shouldn't we thrash them out once and for all.
>
> Regards,
> Adetokunbo Abiola
> Nigerian Internet Users Coalition
>
>
>
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> *Subject:* Re: [AFRI-Discuss] MOTION FOR AMENDMENTS TO RULES OF PROCEDURE
> IN AFRALO
> ENGLISH AND FRENCH VERSION
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> By reading all of you, I wonder what the real problem is?
>
> 1. Are these leadership positions?
> 2. Are these people problems?
> 3. Are these problems of linguistic predominance?
> 4. Is this the length of representation?
>
> In short, what are the real concerns?
>
> Since the creation of AFRALO, the rules of procedure have never been
> disputed. The members have always been elected according to the procedures
> of the constitutive texts and according to the required standards.
>
> Can we understand that there are special arrangements?
>
> This motion by Peters was to be presented as soon as the situation first
> appeared, which seemed embarrassing.
>
> However, what is important for Afralo is that we need credible, reliable,
> dynamic, united, enthusiastic, critical and tolerant people with a sense of
> democratic values, always listening to others.
>
> We especially need realistic people who demonstrate in their respective
> countries and in the different platforms extra ICANN.
>
> We must privilege both qualitative and quantitative diversity while
> remaining united.
>
> FRANCAIS
>
>  Bonjour à tous,
>
> En vous lisant tous, je me pose la question de savoir quel est le
> véritable problème?
>
> 1. Est ce qu'il s'agit des postes de leader?
> 2. Est ce qu'il s'agit de problèmes de personnes?
> 3. Est ce qu'il s'agit de problèmes de prédominance linguistique?
> 4. Est ce qu'il s'agit de la durée de représentation?
>
> Bref, quelles sont les vraies préoccupations?
>
> Depuis la création d'AFRALO, les règles de procédure n'ont jamais été
> contestées. Les membres ont toujours été élus suivant les procédures des
> textes constitutifs et selon les normes requises.
>
> Peut on comprendre qu'il y a des arrangements particuliers?
>
> Cette motion de Peters devaient être présentée dès les premiers constats
> de cette situation qui semble embarrassante.
>
> Toutefois, ce qui importe pour Afralo, il nous faut des personnes
> ressources crédibles, fiables, dynamiques, rassembleurs, pleins
> d'enthousiasme, d'esprit critique et de tolérance et imbues des valeurs
> démocratiques, toujours à l'écoute des autres.
>
> Il nous faut surtout des personnes réalistes et qui en font preuve dans
> leur pays respectifs et dans les différentes plates formes extra ICANN.
>
> Nous devons privilégier la diversité à la fois qualitative que
> quantitative tout en restant unis.
>
> 2017-06-29 14:48 GMT+01:00 NURSES ACROSS THE BORDERS via AFRI-Discuss <afri-discuss at atlarge-lists.
> icann.org <afri-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org>>:
>
> Dear Silvia,
> Hope this meets you well?
> Please help to have this document circulated to the ALAC-REGIONAL LEADERS
> Mailing list for their information.
> I hope this will equally generate interest for discussion as there appears
> to be a common trend amongst all the leaders at the Regional Levels to
> perpetuate themselves in office and representations in ICANN to the
> disadvantage of the whole group. We shall continue to have this discussed
> and debated in AFRALO to move it forward.
> Thanking you for your assistance
> Best
>
>
> Pastor Peters Osawaru OMORAGBON, Treasurer, Central Association of
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