[AFRI-Discuss] [AfrICANN-discuss] Theme for a Joint Meeting AFRALO/AfrICANN at ICANN 51

Amr Elsadr aelsadr at egyptig.org
Sun Aug 31 14:36:02 UTC 2014


Hi Mohamed,

To be completely honest, I don’t know who specifically proposed and did the drafting of this letter. I do know that it was discussed on the SO/AC Leadership email list (which to my knowledge is not publicly archived). I’m also quite sure that the NCSG did not sign it, although it was listed as a signatory, not only on the CircleID blog, but also here: https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/cooper-et-al-to-chehade-et-al-26aug14-en.pdf.

I completely agree that extra time for consultation and comments are needed, but I feel there is more that is needed; a process to ensure that the feedback provided will be given its due consideration and be included in the implementation phase. The Reconsideration Request served this purpose more effectively (IMHO) than the letter did. The RR objected to a lack of a formal public comment period as required by the ICANN by-laws, as opposed to simply ask for time to submit questions or concerns that could be brushed off or ignored because there is no process in place to ensure community-wide consultation. It felt to me like this letter might have only served to stall the process with little possibility of any favourable outcome. I may, of course, be wrong in that assumption.

On a final note, I feel I need to apologise if this discussion has drawn attention away from the original purpose of this thread, which was to suggest a theme for the AFRALO/AfrICANN joint meeting in LA. That was not my intent when I intervened, but again, only wanted to weigh in with some thoughts I felt may be helpful if the letter was used as a reference (one of many I’m sure) to the topic of the Accountability Process as a possible theme. I think it would make for a fine theme and encourage folks to take it up.

Thanks.

Amr

On Aug 31, 2014, at 9:07 AM, Mohamed El Bashir <mbashir at mbash.net> wrote:

> Hi Amr,
> 
> Thanks for the note and update.
> 
> Interesting indeed, so whom was the community/stakeholders lead this approach.
> 
> It's clear that an extra consultation and comments time might be needed by some communities, but the letter was language sent confusing messages .
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Mohamed 
> 
> On 30 Aug 2014, at 13:06, Amr Elsadr <aelsadr at egyptig.org> wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> For the sake of clarification, I would like to point out that neither the Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group (NCSG) or the GNSO Council signed off on this letter. It was discussed by the NCSG, but it was decided to NOT endorse this letter. The NCSG did, however, submit the reconsideration request mentioned in the CircleID post along with the Business Constituency of the Commercial Stakeholder Group and the Registries Stakeholder Group, which you can find here: https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/request-bc-rysg-ncsg-29aug14-en.pdf
>> 
>> For the GNSO Council to sign off on this letter, a formal motion would have to be submitted and voted upon at a GNSO Council meeting. None of these happened. In fact, this letter wasn’t even discussed on the Council list.
>> 
>> I only bring this to everyone’s attention to avoid confusion on what members of the ICANN community allegedly signed this letter, before holding discussions or taking action under those assumptions. To me it raises the question of how many of the other signatories also actually signed the letter.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Amr
>> 
>> On Aug 30, 2014, at 8:59 AM, Ben Fuller <abutiben at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Barrack,
>>> 
>>> Perhaps, but we should seriously consider joining all the other communities.  Scroll down to the bottom of the article where the full text of the joint letter sent to ICANN is posted.  We should focus on that text.
>>> 
>>> Ben
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 7:47 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Dr Fuller,
>>> 
>>> You raise a very pertinent issue while i am in agreement with you, i
>>> also think we have to be wary of decisions that will over engineer
>>> decision making processes within ICANN since this could result in some
>>> analysis paralysis sort of scenario, what is your take?
>>> 
>>> Just a thought.
>>> 
>>> On 8/30/14, Ben Fuller <abutiben at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> All,
>>>> 
>>>> Aziz has come up with a good idea. It is also timely. Please follow the
>>>> link below and you'll see that we are in a critical time for transparency
>>>> and accountability. I suggest that we draft something in line with the
>>>> letter sent by all the other ICANN communities.
>>>> 
>>>> I will be willing to be part of the drafting team.
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> 
>>>> Ben
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.circleid.com/posts/20140828_icann_community_issues_letter_questioning_icann_accountability/
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 2014-08-24 21:37 GMT+01:00 Aziz Hilali <hilaliaziz at yahoo.fr>:
>>>> 
>>>>> [English]
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> As we have done in previous ICANN meetings, AFRALO will be holding a joint
>>>>> AFRALO/AfrICANN meeting to discuss an issue or topic of interest to our
>>>>> region at the scheduled ICANN 51 meeting in Los Angeles, which takes place
>>>>> from 12-16 October 2014.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I would like to propose the following topic: "IANA Transition and ICANN
>>>>> Accountability seen by the African Community”
>>>>> 
>>>>> Please provide your opinion on the choice of this subject and suggest an
>>>>> alternative one in case you think it is more relevant.
>>>>> We would appreciate your proposal, comments and suggestions within a
>>>>> couple of weeks (before September 7, 2014). The theme must have the
>>>>> approval of both AfrICANN and AFRALO lists and should be relevant to the
>>>>> interest of two organizations: AfrICANN and AFRALO.
>>>>> 
>>>>> This meeting will issue as usual, a "joint statement" to the attention of
>>>>> ICANN. Those who want to participate in the drafting committee are
>>>>> requested to express their interest. The committee will propose to the
>>>>> Community, a draft statement to be discussed at the joint meeting in Los
>>>>> Angeles.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The AFRALO-AfrICANN joint meeting has become a tradition that we organize
>>>>> since Brussels. The objective is to express the views of the African ICANN
>>>>> community on current issues that are of interest to our community.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best Regards
>>>>> Aziz Hilali
>>>>> AFRALO Chair
>>>>> 
>>>>> [French]
>>>>> 
>>>>> Chers tous,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Comme nous l'avons fait au cours des précédentes réunions de l'ICANN,
>>>>> AFRALO organisera à Los Angeles la réunion conjointe AFRALO/AfrICANN pour
>>>>> débattre d’une question ou d’un sujet d'intérêt pour notre région. Je
>>>>> voudrais pour cela vous proposer le thème suivant : «Transition de l’IANA
>>>>> et Redevabilité de l'ICANN vues par la Communauté Africaine»
>>>>> 
>>>>> Le but de ce courriel est de vous demander votre opinion sur le choix de
>>>>> ce sujet et de bien vouloir le cas échéant proposer un thème que vous
>>>>> pensez être plus pertinent. Prière envoyer vos remarques et propositions
>>>>> dans une quinzaine de jours (avant le 7 septembre 2014). Le sujet choisi
>>>>> devra avoir l’approbation des deux listes AfrICANN et Afralo et devrait
>>>>> prendre en considération l'intérêt de deux organisations: AfrICANN et
>>>>> AFRALO.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cette réunion aboutira comme d’habitude à la présentation d'une
>>>>> “déclaration commune” à l’attention de l'ICANN. Les personnes souhaitant
>>>>> participer au comité de rédaction sont priées de le signaler. Ce comité
>>>>> proposera à la Communauté, un projet de déclaration à l'ICANN qui sera
>>>>> discutée à la réunion de Los Angeles.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Il est à noter que l'intérêt de cette tradition que nous organisons
>>>>> ensemble depuis Bruxelles, est d'exprimer le point de vue de la communauté
>>>>> africaine de l'ICANN sur les questions d'actualité et d'intérêt pour notre
>>>>> communauté.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cordialement
>>>>> 
>>>>> Aziz Hilali
>>>>> Président d’AFRALO
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> AfrICANN mailing list
>>>>> AfrICANN at afrinic.net
>>>>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
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