[WHOIS-WG] WEIRDS and Whois

[Carlton Samuels]

Holly:
You might have seen my take on WEIRDS; unlikely to resolve the issues of
contention re WHOIS.

Carlton

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On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 11:31 PM, Holly Raiche <h.raiche at internode.on.net>wrote:

>
> HI Everyone
>
> I'm not sure if you all have been following the exchanges involving John
> Levine, but I am now rather disheartened about Whois and accuracy.
>
> The green/blue text is mine.  What John is saying essentially, is that the
> WEIRDS Working Group is not going to produce something that can address the
> legitimate privacy concerns raised by Whois. (Maybe that's the reason the
> GNSO statement on Whois is as negative as it is - on privacy grounds, noone
> should have to reveal any details about themselves - and they understand
> there will be no movement towards a better outcome.)
>
> So what we seem to have now is a Board that has not really adopted the
> Whois Final Report (see this blog)
> http://news.dot-nxt.com/2013/01/16/deja-whois#comment-7143., RAA
> negotiations stuck on what is meant by registrars verifying the data
> accuracy, and the possibility of a technical solution to the privacy issue
> disappearing over the horizon!
>
> It's beginning to feel as if we are going backwards on the issue - but I'm
> happy to be corrected.
>
>
> Holly
>
>
>
> From what you are saying, the messages given at Toronto aren't going to
>
> happen.
>
>
> The IETF is 100% run by volunteers, and is open to anyone willing to show
> up and do the work.  Most of the work is done on mailing lists and by
> submitting and reviewing draft documents online, so the barriers to
> participation are very low.
>
> Nevertheless, of the many people who insisted it was very very very
> important that WEIRDS produce a spec for names, approximately none of them
> are on the WIERDS mailing list or have done any work.  Thie tells me, and
> the rest of the IETF, that in fact the ICANN community does not consider
> this to be an important problem.  (If it's not important enough for you to
> work on it, it's not important for us, either.)
>
> I hope, therefore, at the Beijing meeting, you - or someone from the
>
> group - will give a presentation
>
>
> Sorry, I have actual work to do for real clients and a $0 budget for ICANN
> junkets.  If someone thinks it's worth putting together a talk for
> Beijing, the drafts and the list archives are not hard to find.
>
> What is being developed by the IETF is the WEIRDS protocol which,
>
> amongst other things, will allow differentiated access to Whois data.
>
> This will allow those who want to exercise their legitimate right to
>
> privacy to do so, ...
>
>
> Sorry, no, that's not what WEIRDS is doing.
>
> For one thing, WEIRDS is really about redoing WHOIS for IP addresses.  As
> the group was being chartered, a bunch of people showed up, loudly
> demanded that we do names as well, and then predictably disappeared
> without doing any work.  (Not quite all, one or two guys are toiling away,
> but given how poorly the names community understands the issues, I doubt
> there will be much progress.)  So WEIRDS is unlikely to produce anything
> for names.  We knew this would happen, so the charter specifically allows
> the IP address work to go ahead while the names spin their wheels.
>
> Even if it does, the differentiated access is nothing new.  Try looking up
> six names in a row at Godaddy's WHOIS server, and you'll find that it
> starts providing much less info in each response, unless you're connecting
> from an IP for which they've relaxed the rate limits.  The WEIRDS stuff
> just provides a cleaner way to do what existing WHOIS servers do with
> per-IP rate limits and CAPTCHAs.
>
> And please keep in mind that the IETF has exactly zero interest in getting
> involved in policy disputes, so we'll design a way that a client can pass
> credentials to a WEIRDS server, but not what the server does with those
> credentials.  This project is to provide a spec that the RIRs and perhaps
> name registries can use to do what they do now, but in a way that scales
> better and is easier to script.
>
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