[Registrants-rights] Update on ICANN meeting on the RAA

Wed Apr 18 16:54:39 UTC 2012

Thanks Beau

+1 and all that

"Bad actors" hurt us all and if we can educate people (in the broadest sense) as to what they should / shouldn't do / use etc etc. then it can only help

On a related note - have any of you looked at the materials that AUDA produced?

M

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From: Beau Brendler [beaubrendler at earthlink.net]
Sent: 18 April 2012 17:52
To: Garth Bruen at Knujon.com; Michele Neylon :: Blacknight
Cc: registrants-rights at atlarge-lists.icann.org; holly Raiche; Cintra Sooknanan
Subject: Re: [Registrants-rights] Update on ICANN meeting on the RAA

Michele does have a point -- we will need the registrars' cooperation if this WG is going to have any success. And I know a number of them are certainly willing -- if for no other reason than to weed out bad actors -- to do so.

I will keep the "rally the troops" encomiums to a minimum. We have no enemies here except criminals.

Beau

-----Original Message-----
>From: "Garth Bruen at Knujon.com" <gbruen at knujon.com>
>Sent: Apr 18, 2012 10:16 AM
>To: "Michele Neylon :: Blacknight" <michele at blacknight.ie>, Beau Brendler <beaubrendler at earthlink.net>
>Cc: registrants-rights at atlarge-lists.icann.org, holly Raiche <h.raiche at internode.on.net>, Cintra Sooknanan <cintra.sooknanan at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [Registrants-rights] Update on ICANN meeting on the RAA
>
>Michele,
>
>I don't see anything in Beau's statement that casts Registrars as the
>"enemy"
>
>The name of the group is "Registrants Rights" which are poorly defined. The
>responsibilities are pretty clear (if not enforced).
>
>-Garth
>
>--------------------------------------------------
>From: "Michele Neylon :: Blacknight" <michele at blacknight.ie>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 9:42 AM
>To: "Beau Brendler" <beaubrendler at earthlink.net>
>Cc: <registrants-rights at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>Subject: Re: [Registrants-rights] Update on ICANN meeting on the RAA
>
>>
>> On 18 Apr 2012, at 14:32, Beau Brendler wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Holly.
>>>
>>> You wrote: "Should we assign tasks and start having targets?"
>>>
>>> You also wrote: "...a detailed look at the RAA (2009 version plus the
>>> latest on the negotiations).  It became clear to us (thank you Garth for
>>> your detailed work on this) that the RAA cannot be used to enforce WHOIS
>>> accuracy requirements."
>>>
>>> To these statements I write, yes and yes.
>>>
>>> My suggestion for the WG's first step is to analyze and agree upon
>>> changes in the language to the 10 May 2002 Registrar Advisory Concerning
>>> WHOIS data accuracy
>>> (http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/advisory-10may02-en.htm).
>>>
>>> This is a one-page doc that is frequently used as a loophole to
>>> circumvent the spirit of the RAA.
>>>
>>> I have my own opinions on this doc. However, I am not a lawyer. I would
>>> like our co-chair, Cintra Sooknanan, who is a lawyer, to convene a
>>> lawyers' reading of this document right away, with an eye toward vagaries
>>> of language. We should each look at it and contribute our own comments to
>>> this list.
>>>
>>> By Prague, I believe we should a) announce that this working group
>>> requires substantial updating of this 10-year-old advisory (ten years on
>>> the Internet is equivalent to going back to soup cans and string for the
>>> telephone system) and b) present our version of how it should be updated.
>>>
>>> I believe this will show the registrar community that this WG means
>>> business and is not just about creating a watery set of "aspirational"
>>> feel-good statements that may or may not be appended to some archived
>>> report somewhere.
>>
>> Beau
>>
>> With all due respect if you treat us (registrars) as the "enemy" it's not
>> going to help anyone.
>>
>> Registrants should have rights - yes
>> But they also have responsibilities
>>
>> And most registrars aren't going to trample over their registrants for a
>> small short term gain
>>
>> regards
>>
>> Michele (AKA dirty filthy registrar)
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Cintra Sooknanan <cintra.sooknanan at gmail.com>
>>>> Sent: Apr 18, 2012 9:18 AM
>>>> To: Holly Raiche <h.raiche at internode.on.net>
>>>> Cc: registrants-rights at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Registrants-rights] Update on ICANN meeting on the RAA
>>>>
>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you very much Holly for this report. I have updated the wiki space
>>>> accordingly
>>>> https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Registrants+Rights+and+Responsibilities.
>>>> One small point of clarification, I believe there was an error in
>>>> Natalia
>>>> Benitez (ISOC Paraguay) is correctly Natalia Enciso. I believe Beau or
>>>> Matt
>>>> has updated the mailing list to include these members, but I will
>>>> confirm
>>>> this.
>>>>
>>>> Beau and I are currently working with Matt to setup the monthly calls
>>>> for
>>>> this working group. We are also in the process of drafting the charter
>>>> and
>>>> proposed timeline to be approved by the working group.
>>>>
>>>> In the meantime, please go through the Essential Reading and Documents
>>>> section listed on the link above. I know this will just be a refresher
>>>> for
>>>> some :)
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards
>>>>
>>>> Cintra Sooknanan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 12:02 AM, Holly Raiche
>>>> <h.raiche at internode.on.net>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Everyone
>>>>>
>>>>> Some of us - Carlton Samuels (ALAC), Beau Brendler (NARALO) Yrjo
>>>>> Lansipuro
>>>>> (ISOC Finland) Seth Greene (ISOC) Natalia Benitez (ISOC Paraguay) and
>>>>> myself met briefly during the ICANN meeting just to start a discussion
>>>>> on
>>>>> where to from here.
>>>>>
>>>>> The suggested tasks include
>>>>> - a review of the outputs from the GNSO Subteams A and B (attached) to
>>>>> see
>>>>> where we are up to with what was recommended
>>>>> - a detailed look at the RAA (2009 version plus the latest on the
>>>>> negotiations).  It became clear to us (thank you Garth for your
>>>>> detailed
>>>>> work on this) that the RAA cannot be used to enforce WHOIS accuracy
>>>>> requirements
>>>>> - any other issues we should raise, including ICANN compliance
>>>>> activities
>>>>>
>>>>> Once we have worked through the documents, the goals should be tied to
>>>>> both the output of the WHOIS review team report and the AoC.
>>>>>
>>>>> Beau - has this captured the bulk of what we talked about?
>>>>>
>>>>> Should we assign tasks and start having targets?
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>> Holly Raiche
>>>>> h.raiche at internode.on.net
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>
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