[RAA-WG] [Fwd: ALAC submission to the RAA consultation]

Thu Sep 13 08:10:30 CDT 2007

Every minute spent on chains like this is time wasted.

John Levine is working on editing the ALAC response. According to his e-mails he knows he's under time constraints. Why not call him on the phone and ask if he needs help? Maybe he won't answer or take your call, but it's time better spent.

Vittorio wants help finishing off his work on this. No doubt he'd appreciate help. Do you have time to give it? Call him on the phone, perhaps. I need to ask Wendy something, so I'll call her today or tomorrow and ask if she has time to do it.

I'm drafting a proposal on a way to evaluate and rate registrars, which doesn't need to be part of the RAA document (and probably shouldn't), but Jacqueline and Danny have both expressed interest in it.

Please let's engage in more helpful, useful activity, before all of this childishness prompts some of the newcomers, like me, to decide to spend time doing something more valuable.

Beau Brendler
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Subject: Re: [RAA-WG] [Fwd: ALAC submission to the RAA consultation]

Hi danny et al
I wasn't making excuses, just agreeing that it isn't working well. Rather than throw my hands up and saying - it sucks, let's just quit, we are asking the people why, and trying to fix the problems that they encounter. I got a message from brazil responding to the posts on this list explaining some of the problems that people on this list have with following the discussion and posting. There are many ppl around the world who are trying to participate in the system as it is, but find difficulties. It would be cool if others on this and other lists help - if you speak spanish french or portuguese, you can help tranate documents so our friends who do not speak english can follow. You can reach out to others and ask what you can do to help them get their views across. There's lots of things that need doing, and ALAC'S not god to do everything in 7 days!
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-----Original Message-----
From: jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com

Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 02:12:15
To:RAA-WG at atlarge-lists.icann.org
Subject: Re: [RAA-WG] [Fwd: ALAC submission to the RAA consultation]

Mr. Dierker and all,

  The ALAC is not self funded.  This is the single biggest
reason it is and has been a failure.  Sure, every user
wants something for nothing, but they all know that getting
something for nothing is nor realistic if they are sane
individuals.  So Danny's remarks in frustration are well founded,
and long historically true with ICANN.  Not learning from that
history is a staunch example of stubourness and flawed idology
resulting in the predictable.

-----Original Message-----
>From: Hugh Dierker <hdierker2204 at yahoo.com>
>Sent: Sep 12, 2007 7:53 PM
>To: Danny Younger <dannyyounger at yahoo.com>, jam at jacquelinemorris.com, "'Michele Neylon :: Blacknight'" <michele at blacknight.ie>, 'Vittorio Bertola' <vb at bertola.eu>
>Cc: 'RAA WG' <RAA-WG at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>Subject: Re: [RAA-WG] [Fwd: ALAC submission to the RAA consultation]
>
>I for one was just plain sorry to see the failure. Maybe there are a hundred reasons why.
>  Perhaps it was a combination of factors that can be cured in the future and I emplore those involved to try again. I think a good public evaluation would help immensely and we might find that matters as simple as holiday timing play a large role in success or failure of lists, list etiquette and a core group or steering committees may have been helpful.
>  
>  Best of Luck,
>  Eric
>
>Danny Younger <dannyyounger at yahoo.com> wrote:
>  Dear Jacqueline,
>
>Thank you for the latest set of excuses. It's
>refreshing to know that you can still put a positive
>spin on the ALAC's abject failure to provide any
>solution-sets whatsoever.
>
>
>--- "Jacqueline A. Morris"
>wrote:
>
>> Danny
>> The discussion was held here on the WG list as
>> people indicated that they'd
>> prefer to have a separate list rather than have the
>> discussion on the main
>> list. I don't know who else was interested in
>> posting contributions, but I
>> personally prefer to go via the group approach
>> rather than posting
>> individual comments.
>> About the ALSes - I know that AlfaRedi has posted
>> several comments on
>> consultations, not sure about the rest. Some have
>> indicated problems with
>> accessing the documents (only in English) and we are
>> working on this.
>> I agree that we need to get far more participation
>> and we are trying to find
>> out WHY the ALSes aren't as active as we want, and
>> hopefully fix the
>> problems that prevent participation (lack of
>> translations for one,
>> impenetrable text on some of the documents for
>> another)
>>
>> Jacqueline
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Danny Younger [mailto:dannyyounger at yahoo.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 08:06
>> To: Michele Neylon :: Blacknight; Vittorio Bertola
>> Cc: 'RAA WG'
>> Subject: Re: [RAA-WG] [Fwd: ALAC submission to the
>> RAA consultation]
>>
>> Re: what happened with ALAC exactly?
>>
>> Michele,
>>
>> ALAC is the champion of the user community, the
>> stalwart defender of the registrant interest that
>> exists to advocate on behalf of the at-large.
>>
>> That's why they have had absolutely no discussion on
>> the topic of registrant protections on the ALAC list
>> and why they have neither individually nor
>> collectively posted any contributions to the public
>> forum on RAA revisions. It's also why none of their
>> other members are participating in this WG.
>>
>> It's all part of a secret highly effective strategy
>> that involves doing absolutely no work, no heavy
>> lifting, no constructive effort until its time to
>> put
>> through their travel vouchers... then, at the very
>> last minute, they will come up with a one paragraph
>> STATEMENT just in time for it to be read into the
>> record in LA.
>>
>> Afterwards everyone in ICANN can continue to pretend
>> that they have listened to the voice of the user
>> community and that "participation" instead of
>> "representation" was the correct way to have solved
>> the at-large problem.
>>
>> Be sure to thank the ALAC for their efforts. Hey,
>> it's tough being a useless lackey, but apparently
>> someone has to fill that role...
>>
>>
>>
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