[RAA-WG] Ross Rader's Motion on WHOIS

[jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com]

Seth and all,

  Registrant data is accessable to the extent that their
privacy is not completely trampled upon.  Further registrant
data believed necessary by any third party would, and should
require subpoena.

  In your further inquirery, I have answered this and
similar questions many, many times and is already well 
documented.  I also responded to Thomas's inquirery in
an earlier post on this forum this evening regarding
similar information you have requested.

-----Original Message-----
>From: "Seth M. Reiss" <seth.reiss at lex-ip.com>
>Sent: Aug 30, 2007 9:02 PM
>To: jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com, 'Danny Younger' <dannyyounger at yahoo.com>
>Cc: 'RAA WG' <RAA-WG at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>Subject: RE: [RAA-WG] Ross Rader's Motion on WHOIS
>
>Danny
>
>I cannot understand how the "market" would be in a position to protect
>anyone's interests if there is no ability to access  registrant data.  The
>wild wild West aspect of the Internet would become all the more wild, and I
>would expect to see greater intrusion of law enforcement and subpoenas
>issued to registrars as they are now to ISPs on behalf of rights holders
>seeking to stifle illegal download activity.  
>
>Jeff
>
>Can you let me (perhaps others already know) who your organization and its
>members represent and a link to its website.  Just curious.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Regards,
>
>Seth
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: raa-wg-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>[mailto:raa-wg-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of
>jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com
>Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 2:51 PM
>To: 'RAA WG'
>Cc: ross at tucows.com
>Subject: Re: [RAA-WG] Ross Rader's Motion on WHOIS
>
>Danny and all,
>
>  I read this earlier today, and upon reflection and consultation with our
>members we believe this is a two edged sword in regards to protection for
>registrants as well as users/non-registrants.  We are of the belief that a
>market forces approach without regulation in regards to ICANN
>"Accreditation" will lead to significant court actions in some if not many
>instances in respect to both registrants and registrars/registries.  This
>announcment also reflects and upholds our long stated opinion that ICANN has
>never been truly interested in the stability of the DNS, or the interests of
>either users in particular, nor registrants.  It reflects clearly that
>ICANN's "Accreditation" was originally, and still is a sham.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Danny Younger <dannyyounger at yahoo.com>
>>Sent: Aug 30, 2007 5:57 PM
>>To: 'RAA WG' <RAA-WG at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>>Cc: ross at tucows.com
>>Subject: [RAA-WG] Ross Rader's Motion on WHOIS
>>
>>[Please note that as a courtesy Ross Rader (who is not a list member) 
>>has been cc'd.]
>>
>>Ross Rader from the Registrar's Constituency has put forward a proposal 
>>to the GNSO Council that comes down to this:
>>
>>"that the GNSO Council recommends to the ICANN staff and Board of 
>>Directors that due to the lack of consensus on issues in this area that 
>>current contractual requirements concerning Whois for registries, 
>>registrars and registrants that are not supported by consensus policy 
>>be eliminated from the current operating agreements between ICANN and 
>>its contracted parties until such time that consensus policy in this 
>>area has been developed."
>>
>>http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/council/msg03782.html
>>
>>I happen to like Ross's initiative (as his proposal is quite similar -- 
>>almost identical -- to a position that I submitted earlier to the 
>>global ALAC list), namely that:
>>
>>(1)  We begin by acknowledging that we have no consensus on the topic 
>>even after six year's worth of sustained discussion on the topic within 
>>ICANN.
>>
>>(2)  Because there is no consensus to bind the registrars to a given 
>>policy, we release the registrars from their obligations pertaining to 
>>the display of WHOIS data in the RAA.
>>
>>(3)  We allow the market forces to shape the end result.  Ultimately 
>>the market will act to protect both commercial and private interests.
>>
>>See original submission at
>>http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org/2
>>007q3/001359.html
>>
>>This WG should take a position in the WHOIS debate. 
>>We have ten days remaining to finish our work and to forward a 
>>submission for consideration.  I look forward to your comments.
>>
>>
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>
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