[NA-Discuss] Seeking Regional Advice for a New ALS

Nathalie Peregrine nathalie.peregrine at icann.org
Mon Feb 22 15:52:49 UTC 2016

Dear Judith,

Thank you ever so much for this Regional Advice. The ALAC Members’ vote will be set up shortly.

Kind regards,


From: "judith at jhellerstein.com<mailto:judith at jhellerstein.com>" <judith at jhellerstein.com<mailto:judith at jhellerstein.com>>
Organization: Hellerstein & Associates
Reply-To: "judith at jhellerstein.com<mailto:judith at jhellerstein.com>" <judith at jhellerstein.com<mailto:judith at jhellerstein.com>>
Date: Monday, February 22, 2016 at 4:40 PM
To: Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com<mailto:mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>>, Nathalie Peregrine <staff at atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff at atlarge.icann.org>>
Cc: NA-Discuss <na-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:na-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org>>
Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Seeking Regional Advice for a New ALS

Dear Staff,

We have completed our survey of the current NARALO ALSes as regards their support of ISOC Washington DC as a new NARALO ALS.  I am happy to report that over 60% of current ALSes have indicated that they support the entry of ISOC DC as a new ALS.  It is with this great support that we are recommending to ALAC that they also support the entry into NARALO of this new ALS.

Thanks for your patience

Judith Hellerstein
NARALO Secretary

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On 2/21/2016 9:34 AM, Glenn McKnight wrote:
Hi  All

Thanks  everyone for their  positive endorsement of the new  ALS.  I need to stress that  Judith intentions  of the  due diligence was taken seriously ( given the name), but as some of you indicated that the level of 'deep dive'  was out of scope.   I think this her first  ALS  application so we need to give her a break and we apologize for any misconceptions.   In anticipation of  new  ALS's in 2016 ( name and location not yet determined) we aim to work closely with staff on the process and communication.

Thanks for your patience.


Glenn McKnight
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On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 5:00 PM, Louis Houle <louis.houle at oricom.ca<mailto:louis.houle at oricom.ca>> wrote:
+1 Evan

And I would like to share one more consideration : since the inception of NARALO, I noticed that motivation, engagement and participation of the ALs has evolved. It's normal to see newcomers and to loose some participants. What one expects is oppeness and inclusiveness, not deep diving procedures or a timetable for a the new ALs to justify their engagement.

My 2 cents,

Louis Houle
ISOC Quebec

Le 2016-02-13 19:29, Evan Leibovitch a écrit :
On 13 February 2016 at 21:57, Judith Hellerstein <<mailto:judith at jhellerstein.com>judith at jhellerstein.com<mailto:judith at jhellerstein.com>> wrote:

So going forward we want to make sure that the ALS we accept will be an active member.
​Sorry, but going forward such investigation is a complete waste of time
​ and doomed to failure​

By virtue of its application, the organization has indicated interest and answered the questions asked. Beyond that you can't read their minds or anticipate changes in leadership in the future that may shift more or less attention away from ICANN issues.

Everyone would naturally like active ALSs to help share the workload, but
​you should resist ​
anything beyond:

"Here are our minimum criteria for ALSs. Of course we would love for you to contribute more, but we require at least [....]. Are you able to commit to this?"

That's a yes/no question, to be answered to the best abilities of current leadership. Anything beyond that is unacceptable level of prying. Remember, one of the main points behind getting ALSs involved (as opposed to, say, members of NCUC) is that we are encouraging orgs that don't necessarily have Internet governance as a primary focus. So we should be applauding their very interest, regardless of whether or not they will be actively involved.

The issue of keeping a current contact list is a challenge for any organization, frankly I think that's the role of staff rather than volunteers. It can be easily automated, and the scale of doing it globally for all regions makes the available tools quite cost effective. ICANN depends so much on volunteers that I'm stunned it doesn't have an organization-wide set of tools for this.

ISOC-DC is just the first ALS on this new procedure.  Nothing having to do with them, just that they are the first one where we are taking a deeper dive in.

​Please stop such "deep dives". This practice will not help, and it has immense capacity to undo the good of outreach being done.

​The ability to participate in ICANN is not such a prize that we have the luxury to be so demanding of newcomers. For ALSs, the demands are many and the rewards few -- we need them more than they need us.​ I remind that any group in the world can submit public comment directly to ICANN, they don't need us as a conduit. There needs to be a special reason why to participate through At-Large, and communicating this reason is the role of outreach. You don't want to undo that through needlessly invasive entry procedures.

​The amount of time that At-Large expends examining itself -- compared to the amount of time spent actually affecting ICANN -- has always been a source of astonishment to me. As it continues to be.
- Evan

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