[NA-Discuss] Seeking Regional Advice for a New ALS

Louis Houle louis.houle at oricom.ca
Sat Feb 20 20:57:47 UTC 2016


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Louis Houle
President
ISOC Quebec

Le 2016-02-13 08:34, Glenn McKnight a écrit :
> I agree with Evan's comments that  the level of inquiry appears to be 
> a bit evasive or or at least out of scope. Evan's  ALS as many of us 
>  wear multiple hats and full disclosure could be misunderstood. In the 
> defense of the process of deep dive inquiry I think the intention has 
> some validity as to getting to know new organizations, especially as 
> to their composition and group endorsement. Very importantly is the 
> role of the substitute. In recent months for our engagement the second 
> contacts in our database tend to be irrelevant so the process needs 
> some serious rethink.
>
> I am confident that ISOC Washington DC meets the current ALS due 
> diligence. New processes  need to be discussed in context to the ALS 
> Review process.
>
> Glenn
>
> Glenn McKnight
> mcknight.glenn at gmail.com <mailto:mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
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> .
>
> On Sat, Feb 13, 2016 at 8:01 AM, Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org 
> <mailto:evan at telly.org>> wrote:
>
>     CLUE wholeheartedly supports the application.
>
>     Frankly, I am puzzled why this particular application demands a
>     level of due diligence not expended on other applications -- down
>     to describing unnamed members of the applicant involved in ICANN
>     through other channels.
>
>     Full disclosure: Within NARALO I am here representing one ALS, the
>     Canadian Linux User Exchange. However, I am also a member of
>     another ALS (GTALUG, though I fear I may not have renewed properly
>     since my move), on the Board of Directors of a third (ISOC
>     Canada), and a participant in a fourth ALS not even in this region
>     (ISOC Switzerland).
>
>     Am I in trouble?
>
>     Is there a rule somewhere that demands only one entry point, or
>     even considers such broad involvement a Bad Thing?
>
>     Exactly when did such cross-participation become an issue worth
>     flagging?
>
>     - Evan
>
>
>     On 12 February 2016 at 18:36, Joly MacFie <joly at punkcast.com
>     <mailto:joly at punkcast.com>> wrote:
>
>
>         ​Thanks Nathalie,
>
>         In this case I support the application.
>
>         joly
>
>>
>         On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 3:01 AM, Nathalie Peregrine
>         <nathalie.peregrine at icann.org
>         <mailto:nathalie.peregrine at icann.org>> wrote:
>
>             Dear Joly and Judith,
>
>             The answer to 5d is in the application form:d. Are the
>             leaders of your organization, as individuals, involved in
>             other similar organizations or entities? "Yes
>
>             If yes, please say which ones: IGF, IGF-USA, ICANN, etc"
>
>
>             The Youtube link is copied over two lines, and therefore
>             needs to be copied and pasted into a browser:
>             https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4buVHalBRoOTPG23ZZfndjPr1iHqznaa
>
>             I hope this helps!
>
>             Nathalie
>
>
>
>             From: <na-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>             <mailto:na-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org>> on
>             behalf of "judith at jhellerstein.com
>             <mailto:judith at jhellerstein.com>" <judith at jhellerstein.com
>             <mailto:judith at jhellerstein.com>>
>             Date: Friday, February 12, 2016 at 8:38 AM
>             To: "joly at punkcast.com <mailto:joly at punkcast.com>"
>             <joly at punkcast.com <mailto:joly at punkcast.com>>
>             Cc: NA-Discuss <na-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>             <mailto:na-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org>>
>             Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Seeking Regional Advice for a
>             New ALS
>
>             Hi Joly,
>
>             Thanks for your comments. As we found out there is no way
>             to amend the application so we added an amendment. We had
>             seen several missing pieces and flagged several for
>             questions to the applicant. We will notate this for our
>             records. We will be writing a paper to give to Holly about
>             changes we would like to see on the application so if you
>             or others have any suggestion please do let us know.
>
>             Best,
>             Judith
>
>             Sent from my iPhone
>
>             On Feb 12, 2016, at 1:34 AM, Joly MacFie
>             <joly at punkcast.com <mailto:joly at punkcast.com>> wrote:
>
>>             In the application, not that it matters much, there is no
>>             answer to 5 d)  and the YouTube playlist cited in 6 c) is
>>             not found.
>>             ​j​
>>
>>
>>             On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:30 PM, Judith Hellerstein
>>             <judith at jhellerstein.com
>>             <mailto:judith at jhellerstein.com>> wrote:
>>
>>                 Hi ALSes,
>>
>>                 We are seeking Regional Advice for a new ALS, The
>>                 Great Washington DC Internet Society has applied to
>>                 be an ALS in NARALO.  I am sending their application
>>                 to you along with an addendum for regional advice. 
>>                 As Glenn and I discovered there are many problems
>>                 with the current application process especially as
>>                 you can not amend the application to add in
>>                 additional information. As such we are attaching an
>>                 addendum.  I have also added some notes to the
>>                 application. Additionally, the group has Organization
>>                 Members who provide financial support to the
>>                 organization and have seats on the Council.
>>
>>                 Also for transparency purposes we add that the
>>                 Washington DC ISOC chapter is also involved with
>>                 another ICANN constituency, they are a member of
>>                 NPOC. However, there is no real place on the
>>                 application for to show this. Additionally, as their
>>                 by-laws state
>>                 <http://www.isoc-dc.org/by-laws-2015/>http://www.isoc-dc.org/by-laws-2015/
>>                 , the Executive Director is a paid position.
>>                 Remuneration amounts were not provided. My hope is
>>                 always that all new ALSes that join NARALO will
>>                 become actively involved and join several working
>>                 groups and committees. Additionally one of their
>>                 Council Members, Stephen Miller is an ICANN staff
>>                 member. Another Council member is already heavily
>>                 engaged with NARALO under a separate ALS. She has
>>                 indicated to me that she prefers to  remain active
>>                 with that ALS and not with ISOC DC.
>>
>>                 Please do let me know by the end of next week if you
>>                 support having this group join as an ALS member. When
>>                 you write me, please state the ALS you are
>>                 representing to we can have an accurate count. I look
>>                 forward to hearing from you.
>>
>>                 Best Regards,
>>                 Judith Hellerstein
>>                 NARALO Secretary
>>
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