[NA-Discuss] Fw: Due Diligence complete- Regional Advice requested ALS applicant "(170) University Community Partnership for Social Action Research"
Alan Greenberg
alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca
Mon Dec 3 22:14:53 UTC 2012
I'm not going to propose a methodology, but the
wording that we have DOES cover it. If (for the
sake of example), ISOC were to start instructing
chapters on how to vote in ICANN matters, or who
to select, the individual users in that region no
longer would predominate. How to recognize it is
another issue of course. And if all of THOSE
users claim it was really their own idea, not too much we could do about it.
Alan
At 03/12/2012 03:54 PM, Bob Bruen wrote:
>Hi Louis,
>
>I don't have a final answer, but I do have a few thoughts.
>
>We could ask the applicant if the local chapter
>is joining or if the whole multi-RIR
>organization is joining the one RIR. If the
>local chapter is joining, do we see other RIR
>chapters joining in their local RIR.
>
>We can easily monitor their activities as is done with others, all email
>discussions, meetings conference calls, etc are
>public and recorded. Any undue influence would show up.
>
> --bob
>
>On Mon, 3 Dec 2012, Houle Louis wrote:
>
>>Hi Bob,
>>
>>This is also what I had in mind. How do we make
>>sure that undue influence would not occur?
>>
>>Louis Houle
>>Président
>>La Société Internet du Québec (ISOC Québec)
>>Louis.Houle at isocquebec.org
>>
>>Le 2012-11-26 06:37, Bob Bruen a écrit :
>>>Hi Alan,
>>>Thanks. This sounds quite reasonable, "predominate," vs. an exact number.
>>>It does seem to support the idea that a
>>>chapter of an organization could still become
>>>and ALS, if the chapter had a level of
>>>independence from the central control
>>>organization. The whole organization would not be joining the RALO.
>>>It is not desirable to have an organization
>>>join several RALOs through local chapters, so
>>>that the central organization could acheieve undue influence.
>>>I guess that leaves us with the original
>>>question, but with a little more criteria for making an evaluation.
>>>
>>> --bob
>>>On Sun, 25 Nov 2012, Alan Greenberg wrote:
>>>
>>>>Bob, the relevant section of the ICANN Bylaws (
>>>>http://www.icann.org/en/about/governance/bylaws#XI
>>>>-2.4, sub-section i.2) read:
>>>>
>>>> The criteria and standards for the
>>>> certification of At-Large Structures shall
>>>> be established in such a way that
>>>> participation by individual Internet users
>>>> who are citizens or residents of
>>>> countries within the Geographic Region (as
>>>> defined in Section 5 of Article VI) of
>>>> the RALO will predominate in the
>>>> operation of each At-Large Structure
>>>> within the RALO, while not necessarily
>>>> excluding additional participation,
>>>> compatible with the interests of the
>>>> individual Internet users within the region, by others.
>>>>The section of our ALS Criteria (
>>>>http://www.atlarge.icann.org/en/framework.htm) is
>>>>syntactically cleaner, but essentially the same:
>>>>
>>>> Be constituted so that participation
>>>> by individual Internet users who are
>>>> citizens or residents of countries
>>>> within the Geographic Region in which the
>>>> ALS is based will predominate in the
>>>> ALS' operation. The ALS may permit
>>>> additional participation by others
>>>> that is compatible with the interests of the
>>>> individual Internet users within the region.
>>>>So the issue is who controls the ALS. At
>>>>first glance, this organization seems to
>>>>have much merit, but it is far less clear
>>>>that the meet the actual criteria. If they
>>>>had a North American "chapter", that would
>>>>likely qualify. Or if due to their support
>>>>from Arizona and Kitchener their membership
>>>>just happens to be more than 50% local.
>>>>Alan
>>>>At 25/11/2012 08:30 PM, Bob Bruen wrote:
>>>> Hi Alan,
>>>>
>>>> Is there a requirement stating that
>>>> members of an organization must be
>>>> citizens of the Region at a minumum
>>>> level to be permitted to be an ALS in
>>>> that Region?
>>>>
>>>> Or is it that some measurement of
>>>> control must be exercised from within
>>>> the Region?
>>>>
>>>> I can understand the reasoning to have
>>>> an ALS be part of the Region, but
>>>> it seems counter intuitive to keep
>>>> some international organizations from
>>>> be members of a RALO. In some cases,
>>>> international can still mean within
>>>> a particular Region, but in other cases not.
>>>>
>>>> thanks, bob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 25 Nov 2012, Alan Greenberg wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Not sure of the relevance of the question - ISOC is not ant
>>>> ALAS, not have they applied to be. ISOC local chapters which
>>>> are locally controlled are what we see within At-Large.
>>>>
>>>> Without knowing what percentage of their members are citizens
>>>> of residents of North America, there is no way to know
>>>> whether they satisfy the prime ALAS membership criteria.
>>>>
>>>> Alan
>>>>
>>>> At 25/11/2012 06:55 PM, Garth Bruen at Knujon.com wrote:
>>>> How is this different from ISOC?
>>>>--------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "Bob Bruen" <bruen at coldrain.net>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 5:35 PM
>>>> To: "Houle Louis" <Louis.Houle at oricom.ca>
>>>> Cc: "Garth Bruen at Knujon.com"
>>>> <gbruen at knujon.com>; "NA Discuss"
>>>> <na-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Fw: Due Diligence
>>>> complete- Regional Advice
>>>> requested ALS applicant "(170) University
>>>> Community Partnership for Social
>>>> Action Research"
>>>> >
>>>> > Hi,
>>>> >
>>>> > This is from their website:
>>>> >
>>>> > "UCP-SARnet has been developed and sponsored by
>>>> the Department of
>>>> > Psychology, at Arizona State University (USA)
>>>> in close collaboration with
>>>> > the Centre for Community Based Research (CCBR)
>>>> in Kitchener (Canada),
>>>> > Warsaw School of Social Sciences and Humanities
>>>> in Warsaw (Poland), and
>>>> > other international partners. Initially
>>>> co-sponsored by the Centre for
>>>> > International Governance Innovations (CIGI),
>>>> UCP-SARnet is currently
>>>> > co-sponsored and hosted by IGLOO in Canada.
>>>> UCP-SARnet is also a member
>>>> > of the Global Alliance on Community Engaged
>>>> Research and is represented at
>>>> > the Global Alliance for ICT and Development."
>>>> >
>>>> > Of course, there could be more to it...
>>>> >
>>>> > --bob
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Sun, 25 Nov 2012, Houle Louis wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Hi Garth,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> From the little I know about UCP, it seems to
>>>> be a worldwide
>>>> >> organization, not North American! I wish I'm
>>>> wrong but...
>>>> >> At least (question 2-d), it's not controled by
>>>> a North American org.
>>>> >> Maybe the DD could be rephrased.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Louis Houle
>>>> >> Président
>>>> >> La Société Internet du Québec (ISOC Québec)
>>>> >> Louis.Houle at isocquebec.org
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Le 2012-11-12 19:48, Garth Bruen at Knujon.com
>>>> a écrit :
>>>> >>> Due Diligence complete- Regional Advice
>>>> requested ALS applicant "(170)
>>>> >>> University Community Partnership for Social
>>>> Action Research"
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> From: ICANN At-Large Staff
>>>> >>> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 6:19 PM
>>>> >>> To: Garth Bruen at Knujon.com ; Thompson,
>>>> Darlene
>>>> >>> Cc: ICANN At-Large Staff
>>>> >>> Subject: Due Diligence complete- Regional
>>>> Advice requested ALS applicant
>>>> >>> "(170) University Community Partnership for
>>>> Social Action Research"
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Dear Garth and Darlene,
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On the October 10th we received a NARALO ALS
>>>> application from
>>>> >>> "University Community Partnership for Social
>>>> Action Research". Please
>>>> >>> find the Due Diligence form attached.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> We kindly ask you to provide us with the
>>>> regional advice for this ALS in
>>>> >>> your capacity as NARALO Secretary. Your
>>>> advice will support the ALAC
>>>> >>> review on this application.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> According to our timeline for ALS
>>>> applications the due date for the
>>>> >>> regional advice is on 28/11/2012.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> We would like to remind you that the DD form
>>>> could contain sensitive
>>>> >>> information. Please read the form carefully
>>>> before sending it off to
>>>> >>> third parties.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Regards,
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Gisella
>>>> Gruber-White, Matt Ashtiani,
>>>> >>> Julia Charvolen
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> E-mail: staff at atlarge.icann.org
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
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