[NA-Discuss] Fw: Due Diligence complete- Regional Advice requested ALS applicant "(170) University Community Partnership for Social Action Research"

Houle Louis Louis.Houle at oricom.ca
Mon Dec 3 20:44:51 UTC 2012


Hi Bob,

This is also what I had in mind. How do we make sure that undue 
influence would not occur?

Louis Houle
Président
La Société Internet du Québec (ISOC Québec)
Louis.Houle at isocquebec.org

Le 2012-11-26 06:37, Bob Bruen a écrit :
>
> Hi Alan,
>
> Thanks. This sounds quite reasonable, "predominate," vs. an exact number.
>
> It does seem to support the idea that a chapter of an organization 
> could still become and ALS, if the chapter had a level of independence 
> from the central control organization. The whole organization would 
> not be joining the RALO.
>
> It is not desirable to have an organization join several RALOs through 
> local chapters, so that the central organization could acheieve undue 
> influence.
>
> I guess that leaves us with the original question, but with a little 
> more criteria for making an evaluation.
>
>                  --bob
>
> On Sun, 25 Nov 2012, Alan Greenberg wrote:
>
>> Bob, the relevant section of the ICANN Bylaws (
>> http://www.icann.org/en/about/governance/bylaws#XI -2.4, sub-section 
>> i.2) read:
>>
>>       The criteria and standards for the certification of At-Large 
>> Structures shall
>>       be established in such a way that participation by individual 
>> Internet users
>>       who are citizens or residents of countries within the 
>> Geographic Region (as
>>       defined in Section 5 of Article VI) of the RALO will 
>> predominate in the
>>       operation of each At-Large Structure within the RALO, while not 
>> necessarily
>>       excluding additional participation, compatible with the 
>> interests of the
>>       individual Internet users within the region, by others.
>>
>> The section of our ALS Criteria ( 
>> http://www.atlarge.icann.org/en/framework.htm) is
>> syntactically cleaner, but essentially the same:
>>
>>       Be constituted so that participation by individual Internet 
>> users who are
>>       citizens or residents of countries within the Geographic Region 
>> in which the
>>       ALS is based will predominate in the ALS' operation. The ALS 
>> may permit
>>       additional participation by others that is compatible with the 
>> interests of the
>>       individual Internet users within the region.
>>
>> So the issue is who controls the ALS. At first glance, this 
>> organization seems to
>> have much merit, but it is far less clear that the meet the actual 
>> criteria. If they
>> had a North American "chapter", that would likely qualify. Or if due 
>> to their support
>> from Arizona and Kitchener their membership just happens to be more 
>> than 50% local.
>>
>> Alan
>>
>> At 25/11/2012 08:30 PM, Bob Bruen wrote:
>>       Hi Alan,
>>
>>       Is there a requirement stating that members of an organization 
>> must be
>>       citizens of the Region at a minumum level to be permitted to be 
>> an ALS in
>>       that Region?
>>
>>       Or is it that some measurement of control must be exercised 
>> from within
>>       the Region?
>>
>>       I can understand the reasoning to have an ALS be part of the 
>> Region, but
>>       it seems counter intuitive to keep some international 
>> organizations from
>>       be members of a RALO. In some cases, international can still 
>> mean within
>>       a particular Region, but in other cases not.
>>
>>                     thanks, bob
>>
>>
>>
>>       On Sun, 25 Nov 2012, Alan Greenberg wrote:
>>
>>             Not sure of the relevance of the question - ISOC is not ant
>>             ALAS, not have they applied to be. ISOC local chapters which
>>             are locally controlled are what we see within At-Large.
>>
>>             Without knowing what percentage of their members are 
>> citizens
>>             of residents of North America, there is no way to know
>>             whether they satisfy the prime ALAS membership criteria.
>>
>>             Alan
>>
>>             At 25/11/2012 06:55 PM, Garth Bruen at Knujon.com wrote:
>>                   How is this different from ISOC?
>> --------------------------------------------------
>>                   From: "Bob Bruen" <bruen at coldrain.net>
>>                   Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 5:35 PM
>>                   To: "Houle Louis" <Louis.Houle at oricom.ca>
>>                   Cc: "Garth Bruen at Knujon.com"
>>                   <gbruen at knujon.com>; "NA Discuss"
>>                   <na-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>>                   Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Fw: Due Diligence
>>                   complete- Regional Advice
>>                   requested ALS applicant "(170) University
>>                   Community Partnership for Social
>>                   Action Research"
>>                   >
>>                   > Hi,
>>                   >
>>                   > This is from their website:
>>                   >
>>                   > "UCP-SARnet has been developed and sponsored by
>>                   the Department of
>>                   > Psychology, at Arizona State University (USA)
>>                   in close collaboration with
>>                   > the Centre for Community Based Research (CCBR)
>>                   in Kitchener (Canada),
>>                   > Warsaw School of Social Sciences and Humanities
>>                   in Warsaw (Poland), and
>>                   > other international partners.  Initially
>>                   co-sponsored by the Centre for
>>                   > International Governance Innovations (CIGI),
>>                   UCP-SARnet is currently
>>                   > co-sponsored and hosted by IGLOO in Canada.
>>                   UCP-SARnet is also a member
>>                   > of the Global Alliance on Community Engaged
>>                   Research and is represented at
>>                   > the Global Alliance for ICT and Development."
>>                   >
>>                   > Of course, there could be more to it...
>>                   >
>>                   >             --bob
>>                   >
>>                   >
>>                   >
>>                   >
>>                   > On Sun, 25 Nov 2012, Houle Louis wrote:
>>                   >
>>                   >> Hi Garth,
>>                   >>
>>                   >> From the little I know about UCP, it seems to
>>                   be a worldwide
>>                   >> organization, not North American! I wish I'm
>>                   wrong but...
>>                   >> At least (question 2-d), it's not controled by
>>                   a North American org.
>>                   >> Maybe the DD could be rephrased.
>>                   >>
>>                   >> Louis Houle
>>                   >> Président
>>                   >> La Société Internet du Québec (ISOC Québec)
>>                   >> Louis.Houle at isocquebec.org
>>                   >>
>>                   >> Le 2012-11-12 19:48, Garth Bruen at Knujon.com
>>                   a écrit :
>>                   >>> Due Diligence complete- Regional Advice
>>                   requested ALS applicant "(170)
>>                   >>> University Community Partnership for Social
>>                   Action Research"
>>                   >>>
>>                   >>>
>>                   >>> From: ICANN At-Large Staff
>>                   >>> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 6:19 PM
>>                   >>> To: Garth Bruen at Knujon.com ; Thompson,
>>                   Darlene
>>                   >>> Cc: ICANN At-Large Staff
>>                   >>> Subject: Due Diligence complete- Regional
>>                   Advice requested ALS applicant
>>                   >>> "(170) University Community Partnership for
>>                   Social Action Research"
>>                   >>>
>>                   >>>
>>                   >>> Dear Garth and Darlene,
>>                   >>>
>>                   >>> On the October 10th we received a NARALO ALS
>>                   application from
>>                   >>> "University Community Partnership for Social
>>                   Action Research". Please
>>                   >>> find the Due Diligence form attached.
>>                   >>>
>>                   >>> We kindly ask you to provide us with the
>>                   regional advice for this ALS in
>>                   >>> your capacity as  NARALO Secretary. Your
>>                   advice will support the ALAC
>>                   >>> review on this application.
>>                   >>>
>>                   >>> According to our timeline for ALS
>>                   applications the due date for the
>>                   >>> regional advice is on 28/11/2012.
>>                   >>>
>>                   >>> We would like to remind you that the DD form
>>                   could contain sensitive
>>                   >>> information. Please read the form carefully
>>                   before sending it off to
>>                   >>> third parties.
>>                   >>>
>>                   >>> Regards,
>>                   >>>
>>                   >>>
>>                   >>>
>>                   >>>
>>                   >>> Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Gisella
>>                   Gruber-White, Matt Ashtiani,
>>                   >>> Julia Charvolen
>>                   >>>
>>                   >>> ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC
>>                   >>>
>>                   >>> E-mail: staff at atlarge.icann.org
>>                   >>>
>>                   >>>
>>                   >>>
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>>       Dr. Robert Bruen
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