[NA-Discuss] Decertification of an ALS

RJ Glass jipshida2 at yahoo.com
Thu Jun 16 20:50:56 UTC 2011

To interject on this thread....

1 - Level of participation is very subjective.  Who is to judge the 
subjectiveness, and on what parameters?

2 - Participating in the online discussions for some becomes very daunting.
    2a - Just keeping up with the emails can be a full-time job.
    2b - Personally, I haven't been as involved in the discussions as much as 
I'd like to because 90% of the discussions are nonsense.
    2c - These discussions tend to be highly unfocused and irrelevant.  
    2d - It's been said before that the constant 'bickering' is unproductive, 
and leads to people not wanting to be involved.  
    2e - Many people it seems avoid the online discussions because it has little 
impact (other than stroking one's ego) anyway.

3 - It seems we have been discussing the same issues since NARALO came into 
effect.  It is the same discussions over and over, with the same people having 
the same viewpoints, and nobody seems to understand how to work together toward 
a goal.

4 - The agreed-upon criteria is already stated and in effect.  However, there 
will be those who have nothing better to do but see things in their own light 
and become judgemental toward everyone else.  It is those people who we need to 
be cautious of.

A at L

From: Houle Louis <Louis.Houle at oricom.ca>
To: na-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org
Sent: Wed, June 15, 2011 7:35:36 PM
Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Decertification of an ALS

Salut Alan and all of you,

Concerning rule 16, I just want to add that more participation would be 
great. Sometimes, it's not possible in context. Days are only 25 hours, 
and there's only 8 days a week ;-) . Missing time is not a lack of 
interest. This doesn't mean that «non-participating» member are 
«inactive» and that they don't follow this thread weekly.

Louis Houle
La Société Internet du Québec (ISOC Québec)
Louis.Houle at isocquebec.org

Le 2011-06-13 10:10, Alan Greenberg a écrit :
> There was a discussion at the NARALO meeting today on the need for
> rules and processes to decertify an ALS which no longer exists or is
> no longer active.
> Here are the procedures that are currently on the books.
>  From the ALAC ALS appliation and certification procedure
> (http://www.atlarge.icann.org/framework.htm).
> 7. Decisions to de-certify an ALS shall require a 2/3 majority of the
> members of the ALAC who cast a vote as provided in the Rules of
> Procedure of the ALAC, and any decertification decision shall be
> subject to review as provided in the ICANN Bylaws, Article IV,
> Section 2. Reasons for the ALAC to pursue de-certification action,
> and to de-certify an ALS, may include persistent non-compliance with
> significant ALS requirements. The ALAC will provide advance notice to
> the ALS in question, and the ALS will have an opportunity to be heard
> and respond to the ALAC prior to a decision on de-certification. The
> ALAC will notify the ALS of its de-certification decision and provide
> information on requesting a review of the decision.
> I. Minimum criteria for an At-Large Structure:
>      1. Commit to supporting individual Internet users' informed
> participation in ICANN by distributing to individual
> constituents/members information on relevant ICANN activities and
> issues, offering Internet-based mechanisms that enable discussions of
> one or more of these activities and issues among individual
> constituents/members, and involving individual constituents/members
> in relevant ICANN policy development, discussions and decisions.
>      2. Be constituted so that participation by individual Internet
> users who are citizens or residents of countries within the
> Geographic Region in which the ALS is based will predominate in the
> ALS' operation. The ALS may permit additional participation by others
> that is compatible with the interests of the individual Internet
> users within the region.
>      3. Be self-supporting (not rely on ICANN for funding).
>      4. Post on the Internet (on the ALAC's website or elsewhere)
> publicly-accessible, current information about the ALS's goals,
> structure, description of constituent group(s)/membership, working
> mechanisms, leadership, and contact(s).
>      5. Assist the RALO in performing its function.
>  From the NARALO Operating Procedures
> 16.    When an ALS representative does not vote in 3 consecutive
> NARALO elections or does not contribute a comment on ICANN policy
> through collaboration on the At-Large discussion lists in 12
> consecutive months, it automatically loses its voting rights and
> active status within the NARALO. The ALS should be notified of the
> status change and may regain its voting rights and active status if
> within the next 12 months it votes or participates to online
> discussions, otherwise the Chair will submit to ALAC a request for
> de-certification of that ALS.
> So the current rules for us are:
> - Since we don't tend to have many votes or elections, 12 months of
> inactivity can trigger losing its active status. Assuming they are
> notified of this, 12 months later, the NARALO chair can request that
> the ALAC decertify the ALS, which requires a 2/3 vote to pass.
> I note 2 things:
> - For an ALS that no longer exists, we could institute a new
> procedure to effect the decertification faster, but it is not clear
> that for most ALSs, there is any way of definitively saying that it
> no longer exists.
> - Based on rule 16, I suspect that MANY NARALO ALSs could be put in
> the non-active status. If we apply this rule inconsistently, we could
> in theory have problems (but in practice probably not). I guess our
> real target is to get such active participation from all of our ALSs.
> Alan
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