[NA-Discuss] Forward motion on the Egyptian Internet shutdown

Marc Rotenberg rotenberg at epic.org
Mon Jan 31 17:23:59 UTC 2011


But it's not paternalistic is we generalize from this
recent event and if we cite the mission of ALAC, 
ICANN, and universal values . . .

Marc.

On Jan 31, 2011, at 12:21 PM, Beau Brendler wrote:

> yes, that was my point -- not that cutting off access is a regional problem, but rather wanting NA to avoid looking unduly paternal
> 
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Marc Rotenberg <rotenberg at epic.org>
>> Sent: Jan 31, 2011 10:30 AM
>> To: Beau Brendler <beaubrendler at earthlink.net>
>> Cc: Thomas Lowenhaupt <toml at communisphere.com>, Gareth Shearman <shearman at victoria.tc.ca>, NA Discuss <na-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Forward motion on the Egyptian Internet shutdown
>> 
>> I take Beau's point to be that it would be better if the statement
>> emerged from the RALO closest to the immediate problem.
>> But in some respects that could also lead to further politicization.
>> And the relevance for NA-RALO is clear -- one of key cyber security
>> proposals before the US Congress is the creation of an "Internet kill 
>> switch."
>> 
>> This is why we should try to generalize: cutting off access to the
>> Internet  is not simply a regional problem.
>> 
>> Marc.
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 8:42 AM, Beau Brendler wrote:
>> 
>>> OK, since this discussion took place on the NA list, help me with the next step, if there is one.
>>> 
>>> Is the consensus that NA should draft a short statement? I would urge against it. Though I personally believe something should be said, it is for ALAC to make the move, and leadership of AF-RALO should take the lead -- and whether that means creating a statement, or urging ICANN as an organization to do something should also be specified.
>>> 
>>> So the choices are:
>>> 
>>> a) Make a short NA statement.
>>> b) Make no NA statement but vociferously tell the ALAC to make a statement and/or advise ICANN to do so.
>>> c) What?
>>> 
>>> Beau
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Thomas Lowenhaupt <toml at communisphere.com>
>>>> Sent: Jan 31, 2011 12:36 AM
>>>> To: Gareth Shearman <shearman at victoria.tc.ca>
>>>> Cc: NA Discuss <na-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Fwd: The Internet Society on Egypt’s Internet shutdown
>>>> 
>>>> +1
>>>> 
>>>> On 1/31/2011 12:32 AM, Gareth Shearman wrote:
>>>>> + 1
>>>>> 
>>>>> Gareth
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 2011-01-30, at 8:45 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Well then we disagree.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> For the more we discuss it, the more convinced I become that ICANN should make a statement declaring, at the very least, this sort of behavior to be incompatible with the well being of the Internet and contrary to international covenants related to freedom of information.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If ICANN is going to have credibility in its role as a steward of the Internet, it must not let this pass uncommented.  If it does, then it will share responsibility for all future such action by virtue of its silence.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> John, I thank you for helping me see the issue more clearly.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> a.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 30 Jan 2011, at 23:30, John R. Levine wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> But certainly I think ICANN can describe what sorts of behavior is and is not appropriate and certainly I think that allocation policy can look at taking such behaviors into account.
>>>>>>> I am unalterably opposed to any proposal in which ICANN would purport to tell any government what to do.  That just makes us look silly.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It's not like the Egyptian government is unaware of what they've done, after all.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> John Levine, johnl at iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
>>>>>>> Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly
>>>>>>> 
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