[NA-Discuss] Danny Younger's new blog

Sat Oct 23 16:41:28 UTC 2010

It's good, I've added it along with Kieren's on our blog feeds: 
http://www.knujon.com/

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From: "Beau Brendler" <beaubrendler at earthlink.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 1:05 PM
To: <na-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
Subject: [NA-Discuss] Danny Younger's new blog

> at least, I think it's new:
>
> http://icannology.blogspot.com
>
> Anybody been reading it? It's pretty good. Kind of the perfect format for 
> Danny.
>
> By the way, I'm shooting my mouth off about ICANN over at ThinkerNet --  
> please feel free to jump in and argue, disagree, etc.
>
> http://www.internetevolution.com/messages.asp?piddl_msgthreadid=234762&piddl_msgid=292055#msg_292055
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>
>>Sent: Oct 11, 2010 11:58 PM
>>To: "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson at gov.nu.ca>, Evan Leibovitch 
>><evan at telly.org>, Beau Brendler <beaubrendler at earthlink.net>
>>Cc: "na-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org" 
>><na-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>>Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] WTF?
>>
>>The situation is not that simple. Prior to the changes, section 5 of
>>the Operating Principles (OP) started with:
>>
>>"The governance of the NARALO will be exercised by a General
>>Assembly, formed by 2 representatives of each member ALS and 2
>>members from among the unaffiliated individuals." In practice, we
>>have used just 1 representative per ALS and Unaffiliated Members, but
>>according to that Unaffiliated Members were represented in General
>>Assembly votes. The revised OP changes that 2 to become 1 in line
>>with our existing practices.
>>
>>However, section 15 says:
>>
>>"These Operating Principles will take effect when adopted by not less
>>than 70% of the active North American At-Large Structures. They may
>>be amended at any time by an affirmative vote of not less than 70% of
>>active North American At-Large Structures."
>>
>>So although the Unaffiliated Members are represented in votes of the
>>General Assembly, they were NOT deemed to participate in revision of
>>the Rules of Procedure. We have always referred to the Unaffiliated
>>Members as a "Virtual ALS", but the OP never included such a
>>reference. I was not an active participant in writing the original
>>OP, but I would like to think that this was an inadvertent omission
>>and not deliberate. If I had noticed this during the OP revision
>>process, I certainly would have raised the issue.
>>
>>I can't speak for why staff reported the vote as they did, but based
>>on these rules, it would appear that the error was in including the
>>Unaffiliated Members in the poll, and not how the results were reported.
>>
>>I would suggest that we fix this with due haste.
>>
>>In parallel, we also need to look at our Rules of Procedure. These
>>replicate the "2 per ALS" and there are a number of other places
>>where they conflict with the OP.
>>
>>Alan
>>
>>At 11/10/2010 11:21 PM, Thompson, Darlene wrote:
>>>Hi all,
>>>
>>>I do not believe that Beau put in in an SOI to become the "vote" of
>>>the unaffilated members nor do I believe that they voted for him to
>>>be their "voice".   This is why we entrenched this position into the
>>>changes to the RoP.  We need to have more formal votes for this
>>>position.  I do not believe that our RoP gave a vote to the
>>>unaffiliated voice prior to the vote so this is now in force but was
>>>not before.
>>>
>>>That is my understanding of it, anyways.
>>>
>>>D
>>>
>>>Darlene A. Thompson
>>>CAP Administrator
>>>Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP
>>>P.O. Box 1000, Sation 910
>>>Iqaluit, NU  X0A 0H0
>>>Phone:  (867) 975-5631
>>>Fax:  (867) 975-5610
>>>E-mail:  dthompson at gov.nu.ca
>>>
>>>________________________________
>>>
>>>From: na-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of Evan 
>>>Leibovitch
>>>Sent: Mon 10/11/2010 11:10 PM
>>>To: Beau Brendler
>>>Cc: na-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>>>Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] WTF?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On 11 October 2010 19:38, Beau Brendler <beaubrendler at earthlink.net> 
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>> > This has probably been explained before, but:
>>> >
>>> > Please note that Beau Brendler participated in the vote on behalf of 
>>> > the
>>> > unaffiliated members. While his vote is visible on the above URL, it 
>>> > is not
>>> > counted towards quorum as according to rule 15, an affirmative vote of 
>>> > not
>>> > less than 70% of active North American At-Large Structures is required 
>>> > to
>>> > amend the NARALO Operating Principles.
>>> >
>>> > What does that mean? Let's not pretend to give unaffiliated members a 
>>> > vote
>>> > (in this particular case, a yes) if it's not going to be counted.
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>Beau, I don't know why it was not counted and will check into it. If you
>>>participated in the vote then your vote counts and is part of the quorum. 
>>>I
>>>apologize on behalf of the process that may have inadvertently missed 
>>>your
>>>mention.
>>>
>>>Of course, as you and I both know, the purpose of this vote was to codify
>>>and formalize what had until been an informal and not-fully-recognised 
>>>role
>>>of unaffiliated members and their representatives within NARALO and
>>>At-Large.
>>>
>>>- Evan
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