[NA-Discuss] FW: Regional Advice for Papergate

[Garth Bruen at KnujOn]

I know, just trying to add info to determine if they are serious




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> Subject: RE: [NA-Discuss] FW: Regional Advice for Papergate
> From: "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson at GOV.NU.CA>
> Date: Tue, April 07, 2009 10:55 am
> To: "Garth Bruen at KnujOn" <gbruen at knujon.com>, "Evan Leibovitch"
> <evan at telly.org>
> Cc: <na-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> Not really,
> Frankly, my own ALS, N-CAP was not AT ALL engaged in ICANN activities
> before becoming accredited.  But it was a REAL entity with REAL members
> with a REAL constitution that was in line with what ICANN wanted.  After
> becoming accredited, then we became active in the ICANN milieu.
> So, the fact that Papergate hasn't been involved in ICANN activities in
> the past has no bearing at all, nor how they would use their ALS status.
> If you read the DD report that I attached to my first e-mail and then
> reference the points that I brought up, you might get a clearer idea of
> the issue here.  Basically, we have no proof of Papergate's existence
> (whether incorporated or not doesn't matter), whether it has members or
> not, what its actual mandate is or anything at all.
> Clear as mud?  Let me know!
> D
> Darlene A. Thompson
> Community Access Program Administrator
> Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP
> P.O. Box 1000, Station 910
> Iqaluit, NU  X0A 0H0
> Phone:  (867) 975-5631
> Fax:  (867) 975-5610
> E-mail:  dthompson at gov.nu.ca
>  
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> [mailto:na-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Garth
> Bruen at KnujOn
> Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 10:50 AM
> To: Evan Leibovitch
> Cc: na-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] FW: Regional Advice for Papergate
> Hello folks. Having just been accepted myself, I was hoping to avoid
> weighing in heavily on this, but I'm concerned. KnujOn was very engaged
> in ICANN activities for a long time before applying for At-Large
> membership. I gather from the conversation there is scant evidence of
> how Papergate has been involved in ICANN activities or how they would
> use the ALS status?
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> Garth Bruen
> gbruen at knujon.com
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> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] FW: Regional Advice for Papergate
> > From: Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org>
> > Date: Tue, April 07, 2009 10:07 am
> > To: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>
> > Cc: na-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> > Alan Greenberg wrote:
> > > As Darlene said, incorporating but not having any viable
> organization
> > > is not particularly good either. I happen to be associated with a
> > > functioning, productive not-for-profit (far from the ICANN world)
> and
> > > I would hope that our not having incorporated (initial and ongoing
> > > cost just to high to justify) would not be held against us.
> > Correct, and I erred by suggesting that an ALS might need to be
> > incorporated. The ICANN rules regarding ALS accreditation explicitly
> > make no requirement for legal corporate status.
> > > Proof/demonstration of ongoing activities and membership is the key.
> > Absolutely agreed.
> > - Evan
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