[NA-Discuss] [At-Large] Monthly ALAC Teleconference 13 May 1330 UTC

[Jeffrey A. Williams]

Dominik and all,

  Roberto has been a long time supporter of no actual policy
role for users or registrants, but has been a supporter in
users/stakeholders being able to "Advise" ICANN through the
GNSO.  Whatever this actually means as far as the ALAC and
the ALS'es in respect to getting what users and registrants
desire and accountability is a matter of some constranation
of course.

  Frankly I believe that the position of any ICANN Bod/staff
member or GNSO staff or council member that religates users
and/or registrants, especially Independant Registrants to
a role of simply as advisory is cowardly and inconsistant
with accountability.

-----Original Message-----
>From: Dominik Filipp <dominik.filipp at dsoft.sk>
>Sent: May 10, 2008 12:30 PM
>To: Roberto Gaetano <roberto at icann.org>, Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org>
>Cc: alac at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>Subject: Re: [At-Large] Monthly ALAC Teleconference 13 May 1330 UTC
>
>Roberto,
>
>For ALAC, it is more and most important to stay accountable to the
>public community. If an ALAC's own position is not worth discussing and
>properly argumenting with other bodies on equal basis than, yes,
>refusing a weak statement and presenting the one ALAC believes is a
>better/perfect proposal is the only honest solution.
>
>Do you call political bargaining a compromise?! Heck! We are not idiots
>smashed out of the brain here, Roberto!
>
>Dominik
> 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Roberto Gaetano [mailto:roberto at icann.org] 
>Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 2:09 PM
>To: Dominik Filipp; 'Evan Leibovitch'
>Cc: alac at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>Subject: RE: [At-Large] Monthly ALAC Teleconference 13 May 1330 UTC
>
>Dominik,
>
>> The ALAC is committed to the public to express, reflect and advocate 
>> the best solutions for the public it recognizes and considers as being
>
>> such.
>> The ALAC is primarily not obligated to respect any financial interests
>
>> but only the bylaws, the ICANN core values and the original mission 
>> goals the ALAC was established on. Accepting the financial logic would
>
>> mean that the ALAC would definitely give in to unfair and fraudulent 
>> practices and as such would be rightly accused of suspect 
>> collaboration based on pursuing non-public interests.
>
>What is more important for ALAC, to get some results, even if not the
>perfect solution, or to yell to the moon what is supposed to be the
>perfect solution, and obtain nothing?
>
>
>> [...]
>> There is nothing difficult here. The ALAC will express the statement 
>> it stands for and the board will vote. It is that simple. And if this 
>> motion will eventually be refused and domain tasting will again be 
>> reinstated then it will be clear whose responsibility it is. This is 
>> extremely important to know for the record and for history that the 
>> ALAC acted accountably and warned the board about possible persisting 
>> abuse.
>
>Excellent. We will get nothing, but will be able to blame it on somebody
>else.
>
>
>> I do not see any single reason why the ALAC should help carry that 
>> burden on its shoulders for a decision it has never stood for. Take 
>> hands away from it.
>
>Yes! Stay pure and uncontaminated by all the durty things of the real
>world, that ask for the ability of building alliances through
>compromise. Get all or nothing, don't settle for half of it!
>Of course, the obvious conclusion will be that consumers will get
>nothing. But is this, after all, of any importance?
>
>Cheers,
>Roberto
>
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